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coachg
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Techno,
Mac isn’t griping, he is just pointing out the fact that you are what is commonly called sheepel. You are easily influenced by Opinion articles & do no research on the opinion. You never post an actual law, just some right-wing rag’s opinion of the law. Mac was also pointing out that it is very depressing if that is how you were teaching your students to lean; researching opinion articles that conform to your prejudices. Actually, I don’t find that depressing since you are doing it in NC. It would be depressing if you were doing it in CA.
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mac
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2022 9:58 am Post subject: |
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| techno900 wrote: | | mac wrote: | My dad worked at Hanford, where he helped develop the nuclear technology. Another good friend ran the California Public Utility Commission when the Diablo Canyon power plant was put into the rate base. People like Techno have opinions based on propaganda, and are more motivated by a desire to "own the libs" than to understand the complicated world. Opposed to ending subsidies for big oil, opposed to subsidies that might lead to a cleaner environment, and all in on the biggest subsidies of all--those for nuclear power.
Thinking about him educating kids to not think things through is truly depressing. |
Mac, it you have a gripe, it's with: Todd Snitchler is president and CEO of the Electric Power Supply Association.
If you have an issue with what he said, please share. |
The nuclear industry in the US is freed from the liability of its product, and does not pay for long-term disposal of its waste products. That is a massive subsidy. It made sense to subsidize the development of a promising technology in the beginning—as it did in the beginning of the solar industry. But after multiple decades of use, and the failure of such efforts as WHOOPS in Washington https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1982/12/29/pacific-northwest-may-face-a-long-rainy-day-if-whoops-bust/83b954d7-4db1-4a33-a72b-9d13da1d767e/
it is clear that nuclear energy has a significant economic and environmental downside.
My gripe is with you. In your irrational hatred of California and all things “lib”, you make no effort to distinguish between facts and opinion pieces from advocates with an economic interest or political bias. You make no effort to think critically. You are a sad and angry old man who never learned to think for yourself. |
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real-human
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2022 10:05 am Post subject: |
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| techno900 wrote: | | mac wrote: | My dad worked at Hanford, where he helped develop the nuclear technology. Another good friend ran the California Public Utility Commission when the Diablo Canyon power plant was put into the rate base. People like Techno have opinions based on propaganda, and are more motivated by a desire to "own the libs" than to understand the complicated world. Opposed to ending subsidies for big oil, opposed to subsidies that might lead to a cleaner environment, and all in on the biggest subsidies of all--those for nuclear power.
Thinking about him educating kids to not think things through is truly depressing. |
Mac, it you have a gripe, it's with: Todd Snitchler is president and CEO of the Electric Power Supply Association.
If you have an issue with what he said, please share. |
todd snitch was also head of the petroleum association till recently... he is not consumers friend. that you can not even understand that shows how dumb as a rock you are. Did you get your degree at Trump university mr 900 club?
Todd Snitchler - Electric Power Supply Association (July 2019 ...https://www.legistorm.com › person › bio › Todd_Snitchler
Electric Power Supply Association (July 2019-). President and CEO · American Petroleum Institute (2018-2019). Vice President, Market Development · American ...
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mac
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2022 11:44 am Post subject: |
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Techno has, to my memory, never posted a credible source. Or responded to rebuttals. Just a troll. Here, from Northwestern, is just a part of their current subsidies:
| Quote: | WASHINGTON – Nuclear energy companies, most of whose costs exceed revenues, are often filing for bankruptcy to obtain federal subsidies.
“According to the data we gathered nuclear power plants are losing money right now, some of them to the extent where they can’t even pay their coming up cost,” said Dan Shawhan, a fellow at Resources for the Future.
To offset the losses, nuclear plants in Illinois, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Connecticut, New York and Ohio have gained subsidies under a federal programm called Zero Emissions Credits, also known as ZEC contracts. They are payments that electricity generators receive to compensate them for not emitting greenhouse gases. These contracts were specifically awarded to nuclear plants facing imminent closure.
In January 2018 Illinois’ quad cities and Clinton nuclear reactors received government subsidies worth $200 million a year. Two millstone plants in Connecticut also received subsidies worth $330 million a year in December of the same year, while Salem and Hope Creek reactors in New Jersey received $300 million subsidies in April 2019. The power plants required these subsidies to keep running because nuclear energy expenses surpass other alternative energy sources.New Jersey’s decision to subsidize its reactors is being challenged in court. |
Ironically, the one issue I strongly agreed with what used to be Republican conservatives was over the issue of subsidy. Unfortunately, both Republicans and Democrats try to hide the amount of subsidy they are willing to provide to those that provide them with endorsements and campaign contributions. Unfortunately, the Republican party has dropped even the mere pretense of reform in favor of fascism and undermining democracy. |
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techno900
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| Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2022 8:06 am Post subject: |
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So, do you think Diablo Canyon should close or stay open? The issue is:
| Quote: | | Pacific Gas and Electric (PG&E) decided to shut down Diablo Canyon mainly for economic reasons. The nuclear plant uses ocean water to cool its reactors, and the cooling technology is so destructive to ocean ecosystem that the technology is being completely phased out of power plants in California. |
Oops, maybe a little hasty with the shutdown given the loss of 10% of the state's power and the potential for more and more blackouts because the state can't produce enough green energy to replace Diablo. Nothing unusual for California. |
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coachg
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| Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2022 11:46 am Post subject: |
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Techno,
I appreciate your interest in our great state, but maybe you should concentrate more on your state. Maybe you can help raise the life expectancy to at least Panama levels.
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swchandler
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| So, the ocean's ecosystem in Diablo's cooling exhaust is just something that we can look the other way about? How convenient to just blow-off nature. Who needs all that stuff, right? We don't want to face the grim possibility that our hair dryers and electric can-openers won't power-up. Hell, life without an electric toothbrush would be a nightmare. |
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mac
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| Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2022 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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| swchandler wrote: | | So, the ocean's ecosystem in Diablo's cooling exhaust is just something that we can look the other way about? How convenient to just blow-off nature. Who needs all that stuff, right? We don't want to face the grim possibility that our hair dryers and electric can-openers won't power-up. Hell, life without an electric toothbrush would be a nightmare. |
Chandler—you must know that Techno is just trolling. All of the questions around Diablo Canyon—safety, cost, environmental impacts—are complicated. When has he ever shown an interest in figuring out something that is complicated? He is an old man who reposts right wing bullshit. |
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swchandler
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| Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2022 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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mac, I think that techno900 and his brother are frustrated that California is basically a very blue liberal state.
Lots of sour grapes to eat. Needless to say, it's important for them to take the time to whine about it, endlessly. We can feel his brother's deepseated angst coming all the way from North Carolina of all places, because techno900 is so dutiful to his call from California.
Any chance to own a lib in California is taken, even using the most ridiculous of sources. |
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techno900
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| Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2022 8:39 am Post subject: |
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As expected, no comment on keeping Diablo open or closing. Surly you have an opinion, or are you just sheeple committed to everything liberal?
It appears that the environmentalist will have to wait to save the ocean, and Calif will have to spend/borrow/beg for more money to keep the plant open so there aren't too many blackouts in the next few years, no doubt an ongoing concern for many years to come. Don't forget that growing number of electric cars that will need charging, mostly when the sun isn't shining, and the wind isn't blowing. |
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