Gun Nuts

[mac]

[real-human]

maybe one entrance to movie theatres and churches too.

ted the idiot... obviously he is brain dead like all right wingers...

[GURGLETROUSERS]

Guns are not an issue in our lives over here, and would have no connection with our exercising of our traditional freedoms.

I live on an estate adjacent to the large secondary school (for town and surrounding villages) in which I taught. I see the youngsters trouping past each morning, on their way there.

I cannot imagine how any parent would feel if some crazed idiot with a machine gun (or whatever they are called) rampaged through the building murdering at random, scores of them. The whole thing seems inconceivable, and in our minds could never happen.

But if such ever did come to pass and some idiot Isobars type demanded, in all seriousness, that the whole population including school staff should be armed to PREVENT (!!!) such happening again, he'd be torn to pieces by the distraught parents of the slaughtered youngsters, and hung from the nearest lamp post. And deservedly so!

[mac]

I think tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail would be sufficient. But we don’t have enough tar or rails for our supply of fools.

[isobars]

There are some interesting, thought-provoking comments in the text of this article. Sure, it's presented by a pro-gun faction, but aren't the anti-gun articles presented by the anti-gun faction? Aren't both sides of ANY important issue important?

Or does this audience's makeup override that concept?

https://gatdaily.com/why-cant-gun-controllers-get-basic-firearms-facts-right/?utm_source=GATdaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=6_2

I don't know anything about this source, and have never heard of it. It's just one more piece of spam that showed up uninvited in my IN box, and it has already been UNSUBSCRIBED ... as though that actually stops the spammers. (The most effective way I've found to shut down specific spam sources is to send foul-mouthed demands, in fonts inches high, thousands of pages long (it takes just seconds to generate them using Copy and Paste), to CEOs. Legitimate international corporations seem to have the motivation and resources to shut down spammers usurping their letterheads to poison their sites once their "It's not us" excuse fails.)

[vientomas]

From Iso's article:

"We, honestly and objectively, are living in the best time in human history." Maybe for a white male in the United States.

Pandemic
Income disparity
Mass shootings
War in Urkraine
Inflation
Erosion of human rights
Food insecurity
Climate issues
etc, etc, etc.

[coachg]

“But here we are blaming the method of injury and ineffectually screaming about the rules governing certain versions of the method of injury, or who should and shouldn’t be allowed to purchase the method of injury”

So there should be no rules for buying guns? Just get out of prison for armed robbery? Support the Republicans & NRA: buy a gun.

“In context firearms aren’t that dangerous. That doesn’t make them not dangerous, but in scale they have their place right about where motor vehicles are”

Then why do we have to register our cars, have them inspected, take a test, require specific safety features but none of the above for guns?

“Good policy requires facts.”

Then why not provide some? Why avoid the facts that you can’t defend?

“That last one would be any manner of “effective” gun ban, so pretty much all of them with no grandfathering. A full prohibition on private firearms ownership, or at least on repeating firearms. The consequences of this would be catastrophic. If even .01% of gun owners resisted violently we are talking an estimated 10,000+ deliberate violent encounters that will cause casualties. If each of those caused one death, on either law enforcement’s side or because of law enforcement, it would increase the homicide rate by over 50%. If even 1% of gun owners went quiet about their collections and kept them, we’re talking about 1,000,000 occurrences and, given averages, about 8,000,000 firearms.”

And here we have the truth coming out. Republicans would rather continue to let Ulvalde type shootings continue rather than turn in their guns. There is no number of deaths that will change their minds.

Gurgles, you are absolutely correct that any civilized country would, & already have, solved the problem by turning in their guns. But here in the U.S. there is a minority that just feel entitled no matter what the atrocities.

Coachg

[mac]

Iso’s site is guns and ammo. One of the many sites that have now found their way into our in-box to promote sales of guns. Why would they lie?

[coboardhead]

Another multiple slaying in Tulsa by a man who bought his guns shortly before using them. ANYONE who is the least bit sensible about the guy issue should recognize that a cooling off period should be a requirement for any firearm purchase.

This isn't even a second amendment issue if you believe the second amendment applies to firearms since you are not being denied a weapon. You only have to wait a little while.

Who could possibly disagree with the following SIMPLE rules:

1. Background checks that are robust
2. Waiting periods
3. Limit magazines on semi auto handguns.
4. Prohibit semi auto rifles with clips larger than 10. I believe there is NO reason for a semi auto rifle at all since they make poor hunting and target firearms.
5. Require a tax on guns and ammo that pay for damage and injuries.
6. Increase gun ownership age to 21. Special permitting excepted.

Where in the Constitution are any of these a right (I'm asking the current SC this question since they seem to be strict constitutionalists).

Now, lets take this a step further in getting guns off the streets.

1. Concealed carry is BS. Only with a reason, training, registration and sunsetting of permits should we allow citizens to pack.
2. Weapon BUY back. Instead of forcibly taking the guns, maybe we offer to buy them back at good prices. If there are 20 mil less guns at $500 per gun the cost is $10 billion. Gun violence costs us $280 Billion a year. There are 434 Million guns in the US. The damage caused by a firearm is over $600 per year according to these numbers. So, the math says ANY gun taken off the street has enormous benefits to society.
3. Increase, dramatically, penalties for breaking the law on gun carrying unless properly permitted.
4. Require liability insurance to any gun owned.

[vientomas]

4. Liability Insurance.

While a good idea, and I agree isurance should be required, sadly there is no insurance coverage for intentional acts. That is not likely to change.