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swchandler



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given the lack of any racial factors in the shooting, it will be interesting how a Texas jury renders a final judgment.

Based on the video footage, the gunman deliberately killed the man in cold blood. He stepped well away, turned and then proceeded to gun an unarmed man down at a distance. One wonders why shooters like this rabid character shoot to kill rather than maim their target.
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isobars



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Without even looking, I'll bet none of you has even seen the extensive drone, cell phone, and media videos of the Rittenhouse events; watched the prosecution's lead witness categorically state that Rittenhouse acted in self defense; or has any clue what went down.

Look at it this way: your wife's head is being kicked into the pavement by one attacker, your child is being beaten over the head and neck with a skateboard by another assailant, and a third POS is pointing a pistol at your Grandma's face and repeatedly screaming "I'm going to kill you". You are legally armed, and one of them is also grabbing at your gun. The police are standing down because of people like you, leaving the defense of your family up you and you alone. You very justifiably believe that Sally, Little Billy, Grandmama, and you -- or the garbage credibly trying to kill all of you -- will be dead momentarily if you don't start firing and keep firing until all three subhuman murderous assailants are incapacitated.

Is ANY of you going to claim you have no moral or legal right to shoot all three, as is the law in most states including this one?

Or are you just too cowardly to defend your family and yourself?

How does saving your family or yourself make you a criminal OR a POS?

Bottom line: WTF is WRONG with you people? I hope to God none of you is ever allowed to serve in any public defense capacity like the police, fire dept, or combat military forces -- let alone medical providers in many fields -- all of whom VOLUNTARILY lay their lives on the line for Sally, Little Billy, Grandmama, and YOU every damned day they go to work. You deserve their care and concern only because you are (presumably) a citizen of the United States, not because you actually deserve it.

If this country continues down the path YOUR political party is deliberately taking it, none of that will matter, as ultimately the only survivors will be only those still armed, including would-be assassins and people wiling to defend Sally, Billy, Grandmama, and your useless ass against them.
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mac



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another school shooting, 4 more dead. 53 school shootings this year. Isobars brainwashes himself, repeating comments about vigilante bs straight out of the white resentment playbook.
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wsurfer



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2021 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

isobars wrote:
Without even looking, I'll bet none of you has even seen the extensive drone, cell phone, and media videos of the Rittenhouse events; watched the prosecution's lead witness categorically state that Rittenhouse acted in self defense; or has any clue what went down.

Look at it this way: your wife's head is being kicked into the pavement by one attacker, your child is being beaten over the head and neck with a skateboard by another assailant, and a third POS is pointing a pistol at your Grandma's face and repeatedly screaming "I'm going to kill you". You are legally armed, and one of them is also grabbing at your gun. The police are standing down because of people like you, leaving the defense of your family up you and you alone. You very justifiably believe that Sally, Little Billy, Grandmama, and you -- or the garbage credibly trying to kill all of you -- will be dead momentarily if you don't start firing and keep firing until all three subhuman murderous assailants are incapacitated.

Is ANY of you going to claim you have no moral or legal right to shoot all three, as is the law in most states including this one?

Or are you just too cowardly to defend your family and yourself?

How does saving your family or yourself make you a criminal OR a POS?

Bottom line: WTF is WRONG with you people? I hope to God none of you is ever allowed to serve in any public defense capacity like the police, fire dept, or combat military forces -- let alone medical providers in many fields -- all of whom VOLUNTARILY lay their lives on the line for Sally, Little Billy, Grandmama, and YOU every damned day they go to work. You deserve their care and concern only because you are (presumably) a citizen of the United States, not because you actually deserve it.

If this country continues down the path YOUR political party is deliberately taking it, none of that will matter, as ultimately the only survivors will be only those still armed, including would-be assassins and people wiling to defend Sally, Billy, Grandmama, and your useless ass against them.



I SO IDIODIC!

I hear Rittenhouse is on a few dating sites.
Maybe you can hook up?
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wsurfer



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac wrote:
Another school shooting, 4 more dead. 53 school shootings this year. Isobars brainwashes himself, repeating comments about vigilante bs straight out of the white resentment playbook.



Really really sad to hear the parents bought a gun for the kid!

ISO, who was the kid protecting with his semi automatic handgun?

WTF!!!
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wsurfer



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2022 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://news.yahoo.com/sandy-hook-families-agree-73-173200756.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall
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MalibuGuru



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2022 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

isobars wrote:
Without even looking, I'll bet none of you has even seen the extensive drone, cell phone, and media videos of the Rittenhouse events; watched the prosecution's lead witness categorically state that Rittenhouse acted in self defense; or has any clue what went down.

Look at it this way: your wife's head is being kicked into the pavement by one attacker, your child is being beaten over the head and neck with a skateboard by another assailant, and a third POS is pointing a pistol at your Grandma's face and repeatedly screaming "I'm going to kill you". You are legally armed, and one of them is also grabbing at your gun. The police are standing down because of people like you, leaving the defense of your family up you and you alone. You very justifiably believe that Sally, Little Billy, Grandmama, and you -- or the garbage credibly trying to kill all of you -- will be dead momentarily if you don't start firing and keep firing until all three subhuman murderous assailants are incapacitated.

Is ANY of you going to claim you have no moral or legal right to shoot all three, as is the law in most states including this one?

Or are you just too cowardly to defend your family and yourself?

How does saving your family or yourself make you a criminal OR a POS?

Bottom line: WTF is WRONG with you people? I hope to God none of you is ever allowed to serve in any public defense capacity like the police, fire dept, or combat military forces -- let alone medical providers in many fields -- all of whom VOLUNTARILY lay their lives on the line for Sally, Little Billy, Grandmama, and YOU every damned day they go to work. You deserve their care and concern only because you are (presumably) a citizen of the United States, not because you actually deserve it.

If this country continues down the path YOUR political party is deliberately taking it, none of that will matter, as ultimately the only survivors will be only those still armed, including would-be assassins and people wiling to defend Sally, Billy, Grandmama, and your useless ass against them.


And that's why 12 jurors found him not guilty
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MalibuGuru wrote:
isobars wrote:
Without even looking, I'll bet none of you has even seen the extensive drone, cell phone, and media videos of the Rittenhouse events; watched the prosecution's lead witness categorically state that Rittenhouse acted in self defense; or has any clue what went down.

Look at it this way: your wife's head is being kicked into the pavement by one attacker, your child is being beaten over the head and neck with a skateboard by another assailant, and a third POS is pointing a pistol at your Grandma's face and repeatedly screaming "I'm going to kill you". You are legally armed, and one of them is also grabbing at your gun. The police are standing down because of people like you, leaving the defense of your family up you and you alone. You very justifiably believe that Sally, Little Billy, Grandmama, and you -- or the garbage credibly trying to kill all of you -- will be dead momentarily if you don't start firing and keep firing until all three subhuman murderous assailants are incapacitated.

Is ANY of you going to claim you have no moral or legal right to shoot all three, as is the law in most states including this one?

Or are you just too cowardly to defend your family and yourself?

How does saving your family or yourself make you a criminal OR a POS?

Bottom line: WTF is WRONG with you people? I hope to God none of you is ever allowed to serve in any public defense capacity like the police, fire dept, or combat military forces -- let alone medical providers in many fields -- all of whom VOLUNTARILY lay their lives on the line for Sally, Little Billy, Grandmama, and YOU every damned day they go to work. You deserve their care and concern only because you are (presumably) a citizen of the United States, not because you actually deserve it.

If this country continues down the path YOUR political party is deliberately taking it, none of that will matter, as ultimately the only survivors will be only those still armed, including would-be assassins and people wiling to defend Sally, Billy, Grandmama, and your useless ass against them.


And that's why 12 jurors found him not guilty


Not from Malibu, not a Guru!

His lawyer recognizing he got off lightly suggested he change his name and disappear into obscurity!

How much more lawyerly can you get?
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mac



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is not news. My dad told me this in the 1960's when he refused to let me buy a bb gun or .22 rifle.

Quote:
By MIKE STOBBE | The Associated Press
PUBLISHED: April 4, 2022 at 5:05 p.m. | UPDATED: April 4, 2022 at 5:49 p.m.
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NEW YORK — Most U.S. gun owners say they own firearms to protect themselves and their loved ones, surveys show. But a study published Monday suggests people who live with handgun owners are shot to death at a higher rate than those who don’t have such weapons at home.

We found zero evidence of any kind of protective effects” from living in a home with a handgun, said David Studdert, a Stanford University researcher who was the lead author of the Annals of Internal Medicine study.

The study has several shortcomings. For example, the researchers said they could not determine which victims were killed by the handgun owners or with the in-home weapons. They couldn’t account for illegal guns and looked only at handguns, not rifles or other firearms.

The dataset also was limited to registered voters in California who were 21 and older. It’s not clear that the findings are generalizable to the whole state, let alone to the rest of the country, the authors acknowledged.

But some outside experts said the work was well done, important and the largest research of its kind.

“I would call this a landmark study,” said Cassandra Crifasi, a gun violence policy researcher at Johns Hopkins University. “This contributes to our understanding of the potential causal relationship between guns in the home and homicides,” she said.

California is unusual in that it offers gun ownership data and other information not obtainable in almost any other state. That allowed the researchers to follow millions of people over many years to try to better establish what happens when a person begins living in a home with handgun, they said.

The study focused on nearly 600,000 Californians who did not own handguns but began living in homes with handguns between October 2004 and December 2016 — either because they started living with someone who owned one or because someone in their household bought one.

The researchers calculated that for every 100,000 people in that situation, 12 will be shot to death by someone else over five years. In comparison, eight out of 100,000 who live in gun-free homes will be killed that way over the same time span.


“The rates are low” and the absolute risk is small, but it’s important to consider the increase in a person’s risk of being killed, Studdert said.

Those numbers suggest the risk rises 50%, but Studdert said it’s actually higher: In a separate calculation designed to better account for where people live and other factors, the researchers estimated the risk was actually more than twice as high.

Separately, the researchers found that those who lived with handgun owners had a much higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner. The vast majority of such victims — 84% — were women, they said.

The study was confined to California, but the risk is likely even greater in states with less stringent gun laws and where gun ownership is more common, Crifasi said.

Previous research estimated that nearly 3% of U.S. adults became new gun owners between January 2019 and April 2021, which translates to about 7.5 million Americans. Of those, about 5.4 million previously lived in a home with no guns.

For decades, studies have shown guns in the home raise the risk of a violent death. Much of that work, including an earlier study by Studdert and his colleagues, focused on suicide.

The new study goes further in addressing the perception that handguns are still worthwhile because of the safety they provide against being murdered, some experts said.

“The reason people have guns in their home is for protection from strangers,” said David Hemenway, director of the Harvard University’s Injury Control Research Center. “But what this is showing that having a gun in the home is bad for people in the home.”


Of course this isn't really news, and won't affect the yeehas of the forum who feature guns as their avatars. Small penis syndrome?


2019: https://www.webmd.com/first-aid/news/20190722/guns-in-home-greater-odds-of-family-homicide

2013: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3828709/

1998: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9715182/

This is why conservatives hate math of all kinds, and particularly statistics. Don't trouble me with facts.
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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2022 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Need we say more?
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