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wsurfer
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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/09/opinion/trump-impeachment-founders.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
If the 55 delegates to the Constitutional Convention in 1787 were sitting today as jurors in the Senate impeachment trial of former President Donald Trump, one thing seems certain based on the historical record. Acting with vigor and dispatch, they would cast two near unanimous votes: first, to convict the president of an impeachable offense, and second, to disqualify him from holding future federal office.
They would vote in this way, unmoved by partisan passions or the defense’s claim that the Senate lacks jurisdiction, because they believed as a matter of civic principle that ethical leadership is the glue that holds a constitutional republic together. It was a principle they lived by and one they infused into every aspect of the Constitution they debated that summer in Philadelphia nearly 234 years ago.
As James Madison put it in Federalist No. 57, “The aim of every political constitution is, or ought to be, first to obtain for rulers men who possess most wisdom to discern, and most virtue to pursue, the common good of the society.” |
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swchandler
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| The NY Times article is probably one of the best crafted opinions that I've read to date that uses the words of the founders of our Constitution to show just how important the Senate trial of Donald Trump is and why. |
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PeconicPuffin
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| swchandler wrote: | | The NY Times article is probably one of the best crafted opinions that I've read to date that uses the words of the founders of our Constitution to show just how important the Senate trial of Donald Trump is and why. |
Agreed. It underscores the intent and purpose of impeachment and removal from office...the founders' words read like they were spoken now.
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mac
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| My son in law is an Oakland cop. It is a difficult and dangerous job. The mob that Trump summoned and sent to attack the capitol and his vice president killed a capitol police officer. Trump tweeted “thank you” and “I love you.” While his staff was begging him to ask them to stop the mob. Anyone that doesn’t think that he should be impeached is sick. |
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real-human
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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https://news.yahoo.com/lawyer-zip-tie-guy-eric-224241907.html
Lawyer for 'zip-tie guy' Eric Munchel said he raided the Capitol because Trump said the election was rigged
| Quote: | | A lawyer for Eric Munchel, who stormed the Capitol, said he did it because Trump told him to. |
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real-human
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good presentation of the timeline... Shows trump commanded his haters to go after pence and knew what was going on in realtime at the attack.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/2/11/2015312/-One-moment-on-Jan-6-highlights-Donald-Trump-s-cruelty-vindictiveness-and-depravity?pm_source=story_sidebar&pm_medium=web&pm_campaign=most-shared
Thanks to Mike Lee's odd objection, one thing is now clear: Donald Trump tried to murder Mike Pence
| Quote: | Over the course of their presentation, House impeachment managers showed how Donald Trump groomed his supporters to be outraged, repeatedly encouraged violence, and finally directed them to carry out their assault on the Capitol building in order to interrupt the counting of electoral college votes. The day was full of shocking moments and previously unseen images. The number of moments when enraged insurgents intent on murder came within feet of members of Congress should have been sobering—if not terrifying—to everyone watching in the Senate.
One other thing that came up during the day was a repeated theme of praise for the way that Mike Pence did his job on Jan. 6. That may seem like a strange approach for a Democratic team to take in dealing with the impeachment of a Republican president. But pointing out how Pence stood up to Trump in saying he would certify the results of the count serves two purposes: First, it allows the House managers to showcase that a Republican can, in fact, oppose Trump, providing Pence as a role model for any Republican senators who might think of stepping out of Trump’s fear-shadow.
But the other thing it does is point the finger straight at what might be the most chilling moment of Jan. 6—one that showcases Trump’s absolute malice and depravity.
The complete story of that moment was split across two presentations on Wednesday. First, as Rep. Stacey Plaskett reviewed the events of that afternoon, there was the footage and diagrams showing just how close the insurrectionists came to capturing Pence. Second, a presentation from Rep. Joaquin Castro showed how Trump’s tweets about Pence came even as people were begging him to stop his supporters. When it’s all put together, it looks like this.
2:10 PM
Lee recounts phone call involving Mike Pence.
As insurgents smash their way through the Capitol windows and doors, Donald Trump ignores the violence being seen on every network and tries to make a call to Sen. Tommy Tuberville. Instead, he dials Sen. Mike Lee. At the end of the day on Wednesday, Lee objected to this information and asked that a statement attributed to him be stricken from the record. However, these are the only statements made by Lee that were mentioned anywhere in the House presentation.
Conversation between Trump and Mike Lee.
Thanks to Lee’s objection, Sen. Tuberville was questioned about the phone call on Wednesday afternoon and told reporters from Politico that he ended the phone call by saying this: “I said ‘Mr. President, they just took the vice president out, I’ve got to go.'”
2:15 PM
Pence is removed from the Senate chamber.
Thanks to Tuberville’s statement, there’s a definitive time stamp on the call. Because Pence was quickly removed from the Senate chamber and taken to another location as the Secret Service and Capitol Police worked to secure an exit route.
2:24 PM
This means that the moment he hung up with Tuberville, Trump knew both that his supporters had entered the Capitol, and that Mike Pence was in danger. Trump’s next action may be his most incredibly depraved of the entire day. Because what he did next was to pull out his phone and enter a tweet that aimed his supporters straight at the fleeing Pence.
Trump's tweet about Pence.
At the Capitol, Trump’s tweet was read in real time by the enraged mob, with one of Trump’s supporters even blasting out the tweet over a bullhorn just seconds after it appeared. In response, the crowd takes up a chant of “Hang Mike Pence! Hang Mike Pence!”
Insurgents read Trump
2:26 PM
Two minutes after Trump’s tweet appears, officers take advantage of the distraction provided by Capitol Police Officer Eugene Goodman to direct Pence and his family down a flight of stairs and out of the building.
Pence is led away, with insurgents just a few feet down a hallway.
No one can say that Donald Trump didn’t take action during those hours following the invasion of the Capitol. Because, on learning that Mike Pence was in peril, Trump acted instantly and decisively … to aim the threat at Pence and his family. Trump went for what he saw as both a chance of revenge at Pence for his refusal to participate in an unconstitutional scheme to “send the votes back” to states, and Trump saw an opportunity to do what he had just tried to gain from Tuberville—a delay in counting the votes. After all, what better way to delay than to have Mike Pence hanging from a gallows on the Capitol lawn?
Gallows erected outside Capitol by Trump supporters.
Thanks to Lee’s objection, Tuberville nailed down the timing of Trump’s call. And thanks to Tuberville, we now know the full sequence of events. And thanks to that sequence we know this: Donald Trump acted quickly and deliberately in an attempt to harm or kill Mike Pence. |
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mac
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Lindsey Graham, committing a crime on behalf of his mafia boss fat donny.
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Amy Gardner,
Tom Hamburger and
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Feb. 12, 2021 at 6:02 p.m. PST
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An Atlanta-area prosecutor plans to scrutinize a post-Election Day phone call between Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) and Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger as part of a criminal investigation into whether former president Donald Trump or his allies broke Georgia laws while trying to reverse his defeat in the state, according to a person familiar with the probe.
The individual, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the ongoing probe, said the inquiry by Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis will include an examination of the call Graham, a staunch Trump ally, made to Raffensperger 10 days after the Nov. 3 election.
During their conversation, Graham asked the Georgia secretary of state whether he had the power to toss out all mail ballots in certain counties, Raffensperger told The Washington Post in an interview days later. He said Graham appeared to be asking him to improperly find a way to set aside legally cast ballots. |
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real-human
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during the attack... McCarthy called trump, and he told hard core right winger McCarthy that the rioters were antifa.... again trumps lawyers were inferring trump had no idea what was going on.
ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy1FPNluoOE
New details emerge in McCarthy's call with Trump on January 6
| Quote: | | In an expletive-laced phone call with House Republican leader Kevin McCarthy while the Capitol was under attack, then-President Donald Trump said the rioters cared more about the election results than McCarthy did. CNN Special Correspondent Jamie Gangel reports |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViQzU36T3vs
Nicolle: Trump Lawyer 'Lied' When He Said He Never Saw Dems' Security Videos, Per Source | MSNBC
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