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nw30
Joined: 21 Dec 2008 Posts: 6485 Location: The eye of the universe, Cen. Cal. coast
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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mac wrote: | NW reposts the vacant thoughts of the right to try to divert. Black on black violence--largely associated with the drug trade--and white racism are two different issues. Think about it. | I do, all the time, which is why I think BLM is full of shit because they ignore it, just like you prefer to do, for some lame reason. The issue is BLACKS DYING! whatever the cause, if the cause is not political, which is exactly my point.
BLM doesn't care, never have, and neither do you apparently,,,, for a white guy. |
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mac
Joined: 07 Mar 1999 Posts: 17749 Location: Berkeley, California
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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nw30 wrote: | mac wrote: | NW reposts the vacant thoughts of the right to try to divert. Black on black violence--largely associated with the drug trade--and white racism are two different issues. Think about it. | I do, all the time, which is why I think BLM is full of shit because they ignore it, just like you prefer to do, for some lame reason. The issue is BLACKS DYING! whatever the cause, if the cause is not political, which is exactly my point.
BLM doesn't care, never have, and neither do you apparently,,,, for a white guy. |
Oh, so much happy horseshit. What I pointed out, and you ignored, is that violence associated with the drug trade—which accounts for most of the black on black violence—is a different problem than white racism contributing to violence against blacks. Different problems have different solutions. What are yours? |
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nw30
Joined: 21 Dec 2008 Posts: 6485 Location: The eye of the universe, Cen. Cal. coast
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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I know you are trying to split it into two different issues, but that's taking the easy way out.
If BLM wants to be seen as a reputable group by everyone, they need to go where all the "black lives" are being snuffed out, and help prevent that. They need to go to Chicago, Baltimore, LA, Bay area, and all the other poor neighborhoods and HELP! Then "All" might mean something, something that they purposely left off their clever name.
All they are doing now is wasting all that money that's being donated to them in travel and supplies for their worthless demonstrations that help nobody.
They are being run by rebellious idiots. |
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mat-ty
Joined: 07 Jul 2007 Posts: 7850
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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coboardhead wrote: | techno900 wrote: | mrgybe wrote: | The correlation between single parent homes and poverty is clear. The correlation between poverty and higher crime rates is clear. This is true for all racial groups and global geographies. Two thirds of African American children grow up in a single parent home. The absence of a stable family unit goes to the very core of who those children grow up to be and how they behave/ perform. |
Well said - The issue is clear and simple, for both black and white - the fix? |
Clear and simple? OK. Explain what has caused a much higher rate of poverty among blacks... |
Because no one speaks the truth...Maybe stop ignoring conservative blacks, that would be a great place to start. Apparantly white liberals understand the black experience more than black folks do...
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mac
Joined: 07 Mar 1999 Posts: 17749 Location: Berkeley, California
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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nw30 wrote: | I know you are trying to split it into two different issues, but that's taking the easy way out.
If BLM wants to be seen as a reputable group by everyone, they need to go where all the "black lives" are being snuffed out, and help prevent that. They need to go to Chicago, Baltimore, LA, Bay area, and all the other poor neighborhoods and HELP! Then "All" might mean something, something that they purposely left off their clever name.
All they are doing now is wasting all that money that's being donated to them in travel and supplies for their worthless demonstrations that help nobody.
They are being run by rebellious idiots. |
This is exactly why we call you an idiot. Without doing anything about black lives—except defending Zimmerman’s vigilantism—you decide what the agenda of BLM should be. White privilege over the top.
What, exactly, would you do about deaths associated with the drug trade? |
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vientomas
Joined: 25 Apr 2000 Posts: 2343
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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And there are many more racial dimensions of the drug war. African-Americans do not use drugs more than white people; whites and blacks use drugs at almost exactly the same rates.13 And since there are five times as many whites as blacks in the United States, it follows that the overwhelming majority of drug users are white. Nevertheless, African-Americans are admitted to state prisons at a rate that is 13.4 times greater than whites, a disparity driven largely by the grossly racial targeting of drug laws. In some states, even those outside the Old Confederacy, blacks make up 90% of drug prisoners and are up to 57 times more likely than whites to be incarcerated for drug crimes.14
https://www.aclu.org/other/drug-war-new-jim-crow
But, by all means, let’s talk about “black on black crime.” You’ve probably heard a statistic like this before – The majority of black people murdered are killed by other black people. That’s true, but also misleading. The overwhelming majority of white murder victims each year are killed by white assailants. So, when’s the last time you heard the term “white on white crime?”
As shocking as it may be for some to hear, people generally commit crimes against people they know or live near. If you want to have a real discussion about crime, let’s talk about the factors that contribute to it happening in the first place.
White supremacists have attributed the fact that crime rates are higher among African Americans than whites to people of color being biologically more prone to violence. In reality, crime is directly linked more to poverty than race or any other factor.
According to the Bureau for Justice Statistics, People living in households with income below the federal poverty threshold are twice as likely to commit a violent crime than people in high-income households, regardless of race.
We live in a country where the poverty rate is more than twice as high among black Americans than white. And that has as much to do with 400 years of systematic racism than anything else.
https://www.cleveland.com/news/2020/06/stop-using-black-on-black-crime-to-deflect-away-from-police-brutality.html
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wsurfer
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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vientomas wrote: | And there are many more racial dimensions of the drug war. African-Americans do not use drugs more than white people; whites and blacks use drugs at almost exactly the same rates.13 And since there are five times as many whites as blacks in the United States, it follows that the overwhelming majority of drug users are white. Nevertheless, African-Americans are admitted to state prisons at a rate that is 13.4 times greater than whites, a disparity driven largely by the grossly racial targeting of drug laws. In some states, even those outside the Old Confederacy, blacks make up 90% of drug prisoners and are up to 57 times more likely than whites to be incarcerated for drug crimes.14
https://www.aclu.org/other/drug-war-new-jim-crow |
Please....your facts are undermining NitWit30 and wet-ty's argument! |
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nw30
Joined: 21 Dec 2008 Posts: 6485 Location: The eye of the universe, Cen. Cal. coast
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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mac wrote: | nw30 wrote: | I know you are trying to split it into two different issues, but that's taking the easy way out.
If BLM wants to be seen as a reputable group by everyone, they need to go where all the "black lives" are being snuffed out, and help prevent that. They need to go to Chicago, Baltimore, LA, Bay area, and all the other poor neighborhoods and HELP! Then "All" might mean something, something that they purposely left off their clever name.
All they are doing now is wasting all that money that's being donated to them in travel and supplies for their worthless demonstrations that help nobody.
They are being run by rebellious idiots. |
This is exactly why we call you an idiot. Without doing anything about black lives—except defending Zimmerman’s vigilantism—you decide what the agenda of BLM should be. White privilege over the top.
What, exactly, would you do about deaths associated with the drug trade? | You call me an idiot because that's what you have to resort to, plain and simple, very typical for most liberals and leftists. You are the perfect example why after all this time (since the early 60's and beyond) people feel not much has improved, even though it has.
The main problem is that people do not like getting yelled at and called names, that is exactly what BLM and people like you do, it gets nowhere, it exacerbates the situation, rather than helps.
So you just go ahead and continue with your worthless exacerbation, you're good at that with your pseudo righteous indignation. |
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vientomas
Joined: 25 Apr 2000 Posts: 2343
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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"You call me an idiot because that's what you have to resort to, plain and simple, very typical for most liberals and leftists."
Wait, what? Maddy is a liberal and leftist? |
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mac
Joined: 07 Mar 1999 Posts: 17749 Location: Berkeley, California
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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nw30 wrote: | mac wrote: | nw30 wrote: | I know you are trying to split it into two different issues, but that's taking the easy way out.
If BLM wants to be seen as a reputable group by everyone, they need to go where all the "black lives" are being snuffed out, and help prevent that. They need to go to Chicago, Baltimore, LA, Bay area, and all the other poor neighborhoods and HELP! Then "All" might mean something, something that they purposely left off their clever name.
All they are doing now is wasting all that money that's being donated to them in travel and supplies for their worthless demonstrations that help nobody.
They are being run by rebellious idiots. |
This is exactly why we call you an idiot. Without doing anything about black lives—except defending Zimmerman’s vigilantism—you decide what the agenda of BLM should be. White privilege over the top.
What, exactly, would you do about deaths associated with the drug trade? | You call me an idiot because that's what you have to resort to, plain and simple, very typical for most liberals and leftists. You are the perfect example why after all this time (since the early 60's and beyond) people feel not much has improved, even though it has.
The main problem is that people do not like getting yelled at and called names, that is exactly what BLM and people like you do, it gets nowhere, it exacerbates the situation, rather than helps.
So you just go ahead and continue with your worthless exacerbation, you're good at that with your pseudo righteous indignation. |
Nothing constructive I see, but full of resentment. You can dish it out but.... |
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