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mac
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| nw30 wrote: | | vientomas wrote: | NW is the new "head in the sand culture" or "forget it culture". Inconvenient historic facts are best not thought of as they may create cognitive dissonance and upset the delicate balance of their snowflake lives.
Cases in point: NW denigrates the protesters in Seattle for occupying an area but completely disregards the Bundy occupation of Federal property. Likewise, Maddy crows about Trump being a "law and order" President, but ignores Trump's many pardons of people who were convicted of crimes. |
Tell me about all the people and business, as well as a cop shop, that were either displaced or threatened by the Bundy occupation. Not that it was justified, but it's not even close to a comparison. You weren't the first one to try that one, but added to the failed attempt of others. |
Bundy led an armed insurrection to avoid paying over a million dollars in grazing fees to the BLM. He was the biggest grazer in an area where ranchers were grazing without permits on 1200 square miles of land that supported endangered species. The Bundy family only owns 160 acres—the rest they steal. NW is all in on stealing.
https://www.vox.com/2014/8/14/18080508/nevada-rancher-cliven-bundy-explained |
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vientomas
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| nw30 wrote: | | vientomas wrote: | NW is the new "head in the sand culture" or "forget it culture". Inconvenient historic facts are best not thought of as they may create cognitive dissonance and upset the delicate balance of their snowflake lives.
Cases in point: NW denigrates the protesters in Seattle for occupying an area but completely disregards the Bundy occupation of Federal property. Likewise, Maddy crows about Trump being a "law and order" President, but ignores Trump's many pardons of people who were convicted of crimes. |
Tell me about all the people and business, as well as a cop shop, that were either displaced or threatened by the Bundy occupation. Not that it was justified, but it's not even close to a comparison. You weren't the first one to try that one, but added to the failed attempt of others. |
Abandoned homes. Compromised bank accounts. Threatened family members. Constant fear.
Employees of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge said they’re going through all of that and more, as an armed occupation at the facility reaches its 20th day.
“I’m afraid to go back at this point,” said a refuge employee in an exclusive interview Wednesday. “I would say that this is the most disrupted my life has ever been.”
OPB agreed to withhold the identity of the employee because armed militants who took over the refuge have made threats against federal employees.
The conversation marks one of the first times a current refuge employee has commented on the situation. The employee talked about how it’s affected their life and those of their co-workers, and described how the situation could damage conservation work at the refuge.
“Knowing that they’re combing through all of our files, everything that we have that’s government and personal at the refuge, that they have access to our computers, that they know everything from my Social Security number to my shoe size,” the current U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service employee said, “it’s a great sense of violation.”
Kevin Foerster, who manages all of USFWS’s refuges throughout the Northwest and Hawaii, called the threats to his workers “egregious.”
Foerster said the agency has taken steps to keep refuge employees safe, including monitoring their credit and moving them out of Harney County. While only those working in the county have been relocated, a USFWS spokesman said the agency has put its facilities on alert.
“That’s an attack on individuals,” Foerster said. “It’s just not right, whatever their cause is, that’s just not right.”
Current USFWS employees said they’re angry and frustrated by what the armed militants, led by Ammon and Ryan Bundy, have done at the refuge.
In the days since the refuge was taken over Jan. 2, employees have regularly spoken to each other. They say they’re angry, even devastated, about being displaced.
“Some have children that are school aged, some don’t. But regardless, to have an entire upheaval of the entire family unit is very disruptive psychologically for all of our families,” the current refuge employee told OPB.
But talking helps, the employee said, noting there’s “therapeutic” value in sharing frustrations.
The refuge employees are still getting paid as the occupation stretches into its third week. Some workers are able to do their jobs remotely. For others, the agency has found temporary work in other locations.
For the federal employees who have stuck around, law enforcement said recently that the threats from militants have continued.
“That loss of a sense of safety,” the refuge employee said, “we don’t realize how core and how important that is until that’s been compromised and it definitely has in this situation.”
And the emotional toll is growing. The current employee spoke openly about the difficulty of concentrating because of obsessive thoughts, saying day-to-day work is both hard and a welcomed distraction.
“When everything that you hold dear, from your personal life to what you’ve achieved in your professional life, has all been seemingly taken away from you by people who have no comprehension of who you are or even the place where you live — it’s a difficult thing to process,” the employee said.
https://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/refuge-employees-break-their-silence-on-armed-occupation/ |
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vientomas
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| Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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| nw30 wrote: | | vientomas wrote: | NW is the new "head in the sand culture" or "forget it culture". Inconvenient historic facts are best not thought of as they may create cognitive dissonance and upset the delicate balance of their snowflake lives.
Cases in point: NW denigrates the protesters in Seattle for occupying an area but completely disregards the Bundy occupation of Federal property. Likewise, Maddy crows about Trump being a "law and order" President, but ignores Trump's many pardons of people who were convicted of crimes. |
Tell me about all the people and business, as well as a cop shop, that were either displaced or threatened by the Bundy occupation. Not that it was justified, but it's not even close to a comparison. You weren't the first one to try that one, but added to the failed attempt of others. |
Put your head deeper in the sand NW:
It’s been a rough time for everyone in Capitol Hill, whether you’re protesting or getting groceries or you just want to sleep but the helicopter WON’T SHUT UP. But it’s been particularly rough for local business owners, who for the last week have been hit with the double-punch of a pandemic, then barricades and tear gas.
Eltana Bagels has had a particularly rough time, located directly across 12th Avenue from the police station — now renamed the "people’s station." How do you run a business when you’re fenced in by cops in riot gear? Shop owner Stephen Brown’s been making the best of a super weird situation.
“On a typical weekday we get about 200 people,” Stephen says. With the pandemic, they were getting 100; after the barricades went up they were getting 50. The only way for customers to access the shop was to walk through a double set of gates, explain to police that they just wanted to buy a bagel, and then timidly creep through what looked like a war zone.
But that’s all changed now. Looking out the front window, Stephen described people strolling casually past tents and makeshift gardens. Capitol Hill is quiet for the first time in days, and the bagel shop is bustling — not just with customers, but with staff preparing to make deliveries.
When the quarantine began, it was unclear how Eltana’s business would be affected. But then a longtime customer called from Issaquah, asking if they could make some deliveries. She sent a spreadsheet with nearly 200 orders from neighbors, and suddenly Eltana was in the bagel-delivery business.
That’s relieved a lot of the recent economic anxiety, which was only worsened by questions about just how much would be covered by insurance. Not many businesses have insurance that covers a pandemic; others might have coverage for civil unrest, but how do you determine which losses can be attributed to which cause?
It’s impossible to say what tomorrow will hold, but for now Stephen expects to maintain regular business hours. (Except on Friday, when everyone will get the day off, with pay, so they can go protest.)
“It’s pretty hard to run a business when your front door is surrounded by four gates in all directions,” Stephen says. But he adds that he didn’t mind the disruption of the last week. "I'm cheering on the protests. I think they should get louder and stronger and almost impossible to ignore,” he says. “If that means we can’t operate, then so be it.”
https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2020/06/10/43885722/eltana-bagels-across-12th-from-the-police-station-finds-new-ways-to-do-business |
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mat-ty
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| Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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| vientomas wrote: | | nw30 wrote: | | vientomas wrote: | NW is the new "head in the sand culture" or "forget it culture". Inconvenient historic facts are best not thought of as they may create cognitive dissonance and upset the delicate balance of their snowflake lives.
Cases in point: NW denigrates the protesters in Seattle for occupying an area but completely disregards the Bundy occupation of Federal property. Likewise, Maddy crows about Trump being a "law and order" President, but ignores Trump's many pardons of people who were convicted of crimes. |
Tell me about all the people and business, as well as a cop shop, that were either displaced or threatened by the Bundy occupation. Not that it was justified, but it's not even close to a comparison. You weren't the first one to try that one, but added to the failed attempt of others. |
Abandoned homes. Compromised bank accounts. Threatened family members. Constant fear.
Employees of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge said they’re going through all of that and more, as an armed occupation at the facility reaches its 20th day.
“I’m afraid to go back at this point,” said a refuge employee in an exclusive interview Wednesday. “I would say that this is the most disrupted my life has ever been.”
OPB agreed to withhold the identity of the employee because armed militants who took over the refuge have made threats against federal employees.
The conversation marks one of the first times a current refuge employee has commented on the situation. The employee talked about how it’s affected their life and those of their co-workers, and described how the situation could damage conservation work at the refuge.
“Knowing that they’re combing through all of our files, everything that we have that’s government and personal at the refuge, that they have access to our computers, that they know everything from my Social Security number to my shoe size,” the current U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service employee said, “it’s a great sense of violation.”
Kevin Foerster, who manages all of USFWS’s refuges throughout the Northwest and Hawaii, called the threats to his workers “egregious.”
Foerster said the agency has taken steps to keep refuge employees safe, including monitoring their credit and moving them out of Harney County. While only those working in the county have been relocated, a USFWS spokesman said the agency has put its facilities on alert.
“That’s an attack on individuals,” Foerster said. “It’s just not right, whatever their cause is, that’s just not right.”
Current USFWS employees said they’re angry and frustrated by what the armed militants, led by Ammon and Ryan Bundy, have done at the refuge.
In the days since the refuge was taken over Jan. 2, employees have regularly spoken to each other. They say they’re angry, even devastated, about being displaced.
“Some have children that are school aged, some don’t. But regardless, to have an entire upheaval of the entire family unit is very disruptive psychologically for all of our families,” the current refuge employee told OPB.
But talking helps, the employee said, noting there’s “therapeutic” value in sharing frustrations.
The refuge employees are still getting paid as the occupation stretches into its third week. Some workers are able to do their jobs remotely. For others, the agency has found temporary work in other locations.
For the federal employees who have stuck around, law enforcement said recently that the threats from militants have continued.
“That loss of a sense of safety,” the refuge employee said, “we don’t realize how core and how important that is until that’s been compromised and it definitely has in this situation.”
And the emotional toll is growing. The current employee spoke openly about the difficulty of concentrating because of obsessive thoughts, saying day-to-day work is both hard and a welcomed distraction.
“When everything that you hold dear, from your personal life to what you’ve achieved in your professional life, has all been seemingly taken away from you by people who have no comprehension of who you are or even the place where you live — it’s a difficult thing to process,” the employee said.
https://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/refuge-employees-break-their-silence-on-armed-occupation/ |
What a fucking moron you are....Your comparison is pathetic.. 6 blocks of downtown Seattle vs a few arcres in the middle of nowhere. Try again little fool. |
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mac
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| Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:19 am Post subject: |
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| Not downtown, not a few acres, not a clue. |
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vientomas
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mat-ty
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| mac wrote: | | Not downtown, not a few acres, not a clue. |
Highly populated urban area vs a barren wasteland.....dumb and dumber...
Trump is doing the right thing....Let the morons live in their own filth and violence for the world to watch...Perfect!!!!!!!!
Law and order will win the day......zero doubt!!! |
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wsurfer
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| mat-ty wrote: | | mac wrote: | | Not downtown, not a few acres, not a clue. |
Highly populated urban area vs a barren wasteland.....dumb and dumber...
Trump is doing the right thing....Let the morons live in their own filth and violence for the world to watch...Perfect!!!!!!!!
Law and order will win the day......zero doubt!!! |
I hope you had your cute little Trump cheerleader uniform on when you wrote that one  |
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vientomas
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| mat-ty wrote: | | mac wrote: | | Not downtown, not a few acres, not a clue. |
Highly populated urban area vs a barren wasteland.....dumb and dumber...
Trump is doing the right thing....Let the morons live in their own filth and violence for the world to watch...Perfect!!!!!!!!
Law and order will win the day......zero doubt!!! |
It's not up to Trump. It's a local gov. and State issue. Ever hear of the concept of "federalism"? It's in the Constituton. You might want to read it.
I have yet to hear you denouce the Bundy occupation. So much for "law and order". |
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mat-ty
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| vientomas wrote: | | mat-ty wrote: | | mac wrote: | | Not downtown, not a few acres, not a clue. |
Highly populated urban area vs a barren wasteland.....dumb and dumber...
Trump is doing the right thing....Let the morons live in their own filth and violence for the world to watch...Perfect!!!!!!!!
Law and order will win the day......zero doubt!!! |
It's not up to Trump. It's a local gov. and State issue. Ever hear of the concept of "federalism"? It's in the Constituton. You might want to read it.
I have yet to hear you denouce the Bundy occupation. So much for "law and order". |
Not even remotley comparable...especially because black injustice is based on lies and is being completly blown out of proportion. |
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