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mlaronde



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

coboardhead wrote:
Keep in mind that there are different types of vaccines for the CV available. The J & J vaccine is more of a traditional type of vaccine. So, for those who don’t trust the new technology, there are options.


OK so my understanding is this: The J & J offering is, in fact, an adenovirus "vectored" vaccine. This may be a bit more "traditional", but hardly proven. Astra Zeneca's is the same.

By vectored, they mean that the antibody response to the attenuated adenovirus should theoretically provide "cross-immunity", because the viral DNA is similar enough. Sure man. Sounds like a 50-year old failed experiment to make a cure for the common cold.

J & J does, however, make a point to let you know that because it contains no trace of "Covid", you can't "catch" Covid from the shot. Blah.

Breaking news: the Russian "Sputnik V" is also mRNA ..

MY MAIN POINT: To date, no "Covid" vaccine has been made using any trace of the live virus whatsoever. Why is this?

Might it be, that they simply don't have a sample? Because it SARS-Cov-2 is simply a theoretical virus, and has never been isolated in the wild?

If you research just a little, you will find some convincing reports...
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mlaronde



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

swchandler wrote:
miaronde,

While we're beginning to find out some of notable folks in news that you don't like too much, who are the notable folks that you really like and respect? To keeps things on track, we can keep it about vaccinations.


OK great thanks. Here's my short list to start:

Mike Adams, the health Ranger
https://www.naturalnews.com/

Robert F. Kennedy Jr, Children's Health Defense
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/
(Yes, THE RFK Jr.)

And by far, the person with the most courage in the whole world, Dr. Simone Gold, America's Frontline Doctors
https://www.americasfrontlinedoctors.com/
The original censored interview held in front of capitol hill..https://www.bitchute.com/video/nAEyxYksUchj/
This might be just the most censored video of all time.
Since then, she's of course endured the obligatory FBI raid.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mlaronde wrote:
swchandler wrote:
miaronde,

While we're beginning to find out some of notable folks in news that you don't like too much, who are the notable folks that you really like and respect? To keeps things on track, we can keep it about vaccinations.


OK great thanks. Here's my short list to start:

Mike Adams, the health Ranger
https://www.naturalnews.com/

Robert F. Kennedy Jr, Children's Health Defense
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/
(Yes, THE RFK Jr.)

And by far, the person with the most courage in the whole world, Dr. Simone Gold, America's Frontline Doctors
https://www.americasfrontlinedoctors.com/
The original censored interview held in front of capitol hill..https://www.bitchute.com/video/nAEyxYksUchj/
This might be just the most censored video of all time.
Since then, she's of course endured the obligatory FBI raid.


JFK site shows very little on covid vaccines, the major one i saw cites this reference for the 2200 deaths. from what I have read of the 100 million plus just in the USA vaccinated after the period to full effective not a single person has died of covid. on that site for the 2000 plus deaths shortly after the shot, here is one example, from the first page, and note it appeared on the first page most were dementia patients so maybe a other medication was compounding the issue, most seemed to be in senior living. I hope they find a drug commonality to minimize these and we stop the 500,000 more from dying.
https://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?TABLE=ON&GROUP1=AGE&EVENTS=ON&VAX=COVID19&DIED=Yes



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Write-up: Resident in our long term care facility who received first dose of Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine on 12/22/2020, only documented side effect was mild fatigue after receiving. She passed away on 12/27/2020 of natural causes per report. Has previously been in & out of hospice care, resided in nursing home for 9+ years, elderly with dementia. Due to proximity of vaccination we felt we should report the death, even though it is not believed to be related.



your hero doctor making claims of an untested medicine... too hypocritical two patients was her scientific test.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=Dr.+Simone+Gold%2C&aqs=edge..69i57&FORM=ANCMS9&PC=ASTS



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According to CNBC, Gold is “reportedly a Trump supporter who has advocated the use of hydroxychloroquine on Conservative talk radio and podcasts.” The AP article also states that Gold “denied she was coordinating her efforts with Trump’s reelection campaign” and said she had prescribed hydroxychloroquine to two patients with “good results” and believes that COVID-19 deaths mostly affect people who are elderly and have preexisting conditions, not working-age people.


you are such a trumpo clone. you listen to a group of 1 doctor who had two patients.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, I was hoping that you could identify some notable folks on a scale of billionaires like George Soros and Bill Gates. Seemingly, you like the little folks you can find on the internet.

By the way, the naturalnews.com website doesn't seem to be featuring Mike Adams. Lots of opinions from others, including many multiples from some. To get to Adams, you must have to dig deep.

Regarding the link to RFK's son, all I found was a number of scattered quotes. Where's the "beef"?

Lastly, on the 29+ minute video in front of the Capitol, when I got to the third doctor that was touting one of Donald Trump's cures, I was done with it.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does it surprise anyone that has read even one of his posts that Mike is deep down the rabbit hole with other conspiracy whackos?

His go to source, outed:

https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/quackery/mike-adams-building-alternate-reality-online

McGill is a highly reputable college in Canada. But I guess that’s reason enough to put them with the black helicopter crew.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Self brainwashing at work. From the Seattle Times:

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Mistrust is also at the root of concerns among Republican men, pollsters say, with common threads revolving around skepticism of government and what government officials say is science. That has made vaccination for some a political litmus test, as masks have been.

But pollsters emphasize that the vaccine skeptics and the vaccine opponents are different groups with different reasons.

Mainstream conservatives want answers they can trust about safety, side effects and the speed at which vaccines were developed. Many don’t see the coronavirus as a serious threat. They want to be assured they won’t be required to carry a government-issued “vaccine passport.”

The fiercest vaccination opponents, though, also cite conspiracy theories about side effects and secret government plans as among their reasons for rejecting the shots.

“When I see the government and media working together to push this vaccine SO hard, I just have to think they want this DNA alteration in as many people as possible,” read one recent post on a QAnon conspiracy theory forum. “I don’t know if they want it as a genetic marker, or they can use it as a way to control population, or some other nefarious purpose.”

“It’s definitely a huge issue within the far right,” said Meghan Rahill, a researcher at Middlebury College’s Center on Terrorism, Extremism, and Counterterrorism.

‘Mark of the beast’

Rejection of the COVID vaccine comes as many on the far right are feeling dislocated and vulnerable following the outcome of the 2020 election and the wave of arrests resulting from the Jan. 6 assault on the U.S. Capitol, Rahill said.

They fear overreaching government control and feel that power needs to be taken back, by force or not, she said. Spreading misinformation about the vaccines is a reaction to that fear, she said.

Conspiracy groups are aided by far-right figures like Nick Fuentes, the white nationalist commentator who rose to national prominence as a key figure in the “Stop the Steal” movement following the November election.

“I will never get a COVID vaccine,” Fuentes wrote recently on Gab, the social media network that has become home to a multitude of extremists banned from other social media platforms.

The post, which offered no other explanation, drew more than 5,000 “likes” and was reposted more than 760 times in a single day.

“We can start by refusing the vaccine. Then the masks,” one Gab user wrote among the hundreds who replied to Fuentes’ post. “And unroll evey (sic) last evil, until we make America great again!”

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And more:
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Jerme Groopman Just a few years ago, many of us in the global health policy community were thrilled at the prospect of eliminating catastrophic infectious and tropical diseases,” Peter Hotez writes in his new book, “Preventing the Next Pandemic” (Johns Hopkins). He dates this high point of optimism to the start of 2015, when the success of vaccination campaigns had become dramatically evident. Polio, once endemic in more than a hundred countries, had been limited to three—Afghanistan, Nigeria, and Pakistan. Measles deaths were down by eighty per cent, from half a million children worldwide in 2000 to a fifth of that number. Vaccination campaigns achieved similar reductions in mortality with diphtheria, whooping cough, tetanus, and a type of bacterial meningitis.

As the world nervously watches the rollout of the various covid-19 vaccines and surveys the human and economic cost of the pandemic, this period of optimism is hard to imagine. Yet Hotez, a pediatrician and a specialist in tropical infectious diseases at Baylor College of Medicine who co-directs a vaccine-development center at the Texas Children’s Hospital, shows that pandemics had been rebounding well before the first covid-19 cases emerged in Wuhan. His book draws lessons from the field of tropical infectious diseases, and also from his international work as a science envoy—a position created jointly by the State Department and the White House—during Barack Obama’s Presidency. Hotez is perhaps uniquely positioned to expound a broad vision that marries science with geopolitics. (In the past year, he has been a prominent TV expert on the pandemic.) We learn not only about familiar scourges such as polio and diphtheria but also about a host of so-called neglected tropical diseases, including dengue, leishmaniasis, schistosomiasis, and Chagas. He melds an account of their biology with documentation of the social and political factors that enable them to spread, and passionately insists that we cannot prevent pandemics in isolation from wider global currents. He identifies a cluster of non-medical drivers of deadly outbreaks—war, political instability, human migration, poverty, urbanization, anti-science and nationalist sentiment, and climate change—and maintains that advances in biomedicine must be accompanied by concerted action on these geopolitical matters.

The message comes at a time when the Biden Administration has done much both to stem the pandemic in the United States and to reverse the deleterious approach of the Trump White House. Biden has facilitated widespread distribution of vaccines, recently announcing that all adult Americans would be eligible for shots by the beginning of May, and he has instituted public-health measures, such as mandatory masks on trains and planes, that should have been in place a year ago. He has reaffirmed U.S. membership in the World Health Organization, appointing Anthony Fauci as the head delegate. And the Administration has withdrawn numerous budget-cut requests that Trump sent to Congress, including one that would have cancelled four billion dollars of funding for Gavi, a public-private partnership that provides vaccinations in low-income countries.


As welcome as all this is, any hope of containing future outbreaks will require tackling deeply rooted global problems. President Biden’s belief in the power of revitalized American diplomacy will be tested not only in such areas as trade agreements and nuclear-arms control but also in the fight against epidemics that occur far from American soil.

War and Pestilence ride together as two of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, and there is no shortage of historical precedent to demonstrate the aptness of the allegory. The great influenza pandemic that began in 1918 was propelled, in part, by troop movements and population shifts at the end of the First World War. Both the First and the Second World Wars produced typhus epidemics. Armed conflicts cause malnutrition, poor pest control, and sanitation problems; even the soil often becomes contaminated. Medical facilities are destroyed; doctors and nurses, diverted to combat duty, are unable to provide care, and vaccination and other mass-treatment programs usually falter.

The first two decades of this century have furnished many fresh examples. The ongoing conflict in Yemen has produced the largest cholera outbreak in history, which has infected two and a half million people since it began, in 2016. Wars in Syria and Iraq led to a resurgence of measles and polio. The collapse of insect-control programs sparked the spread of cutaneous leishmaniasis, a parasitic disease that results in disfiguring skin ulcers. Known as “Baghdad boil” or “Aleppo evil,” it is transmitted through the bite of blood-feeding sand flies, which flourish in uncollected garbage. By 2016, the destruction of infrastructure in conflict zones had brought about a tenfold increase in such cases in Syria, some two hundred and seventy thousand a year, with another hundred thousand a year recorded in Iraq.

Hotez writes that wars in the Middle East have made the region “a new global hot zone of emerging and neglected tropical diseases.” The news elsewhere is scarcely better. During conflicts in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, the Central African Republic, and South Sudan, measles returned, along with kala-azar, another type of leishmaniasis, which attacks internal organs and is frequently fatal. The 2018 Ebola outbreak in the Democratic Republic of the Congo left more than two thousand dead. In northeastern Nigeria, attacks by Boko Haram have destroyed as much as three-quarters of the infrastructure required for vaccinations, and there has been a corresponding rise in cases of polio, measles, whooping cough, bacterial meningitis, and yellow fever. A 2019 study cited by Hotez found that a child born within six miles of the conflict zone is half as likely to receive any vaccine as other Nigerian children.

Even in the absence of war, political instability can produce comparable results. Hotez discusses Venezuela, which, under Nicolás Maduro, has suffered a level of economic collapse and social chaos that has led to the unravelling of the country’s health-care system. Measles had been eradicated, but it reëmerged in 2017.


As Santayana has said, those who fail to study history are doomed to repeat it. Those who don't understand what sanitation and vaccination have done to save the lives of millions are dooming us to watch diseases that were nearly dead bloom anew.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

swchandler wrote:
Actually, I was hoping that you could identify some notable folks on a scale of billionaires like George Soros and Bill Gates. Seemingly, you like the little folks you can find on the internet.

By the way, the naturalnews.com website doesn't seem to be featuring Mike Adams. Lots of opinions from others, including many multiples from some. To get to Adams, you must have to dig deep.

Regarding the link to RFK's son, all I found was a number of scattered quotes. Where's the "beef"?

Lastly, on the 29+ minute video in front of the Capitol, when I got to the third doctor that was touting one of Donald Trump's cures, I was done with it.


You try finding a billionaire who's on the "righteous" side. Good luck with that.

Let's focus on Dr. Simone Gold please. So the third speaker made the mistake of referencing Trump eh? Shucks, I thought the second speaker was totally convincing.
Whatever. The main point to be taken from those, and others who've made the same point: THERE IS A TREATMENT, IT WORKS, and IT"S ALWAYS BEEN HERE.

Never mind the question if whether Sars-Cov-2 is really unique in the wild, or if it is just another flu virus, or just the latest. It is no secret that the "flu" can be just as deadly (until 2020, that is).

The point (that there IS a treatment) is important in view of the lies being issued by practically every state and local government in the US.

In Massachusetts, we were supposed to be in "phase 4 re-opening" many months ago. The contingency was that "the new normal" could only begin when a vaccine or a treatment became widely available.

Not only that, the emergency use authorization act, under which the vaccines in question were allowed without proper testing, requires that no treatment be available.

All of this should make a sane man question the vaccines as being necessary, or safe. If you're not easily fooled, it should be clear that forcing the vaccines on everybody was the goal all along, and no pesky "treatment" was going to stop that plan, even if it had a proven success rate.

Unfortunately, it is much easier to fool someone, than it is to convince them that they have been fooled.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Irony went right over his head:

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Unfortunately, it is much easier to fool someone, than it is to convince them that they have been fooled


But there are always the 500 whacky websites, some of them by Russians, to fool you. The Russians are spreading disinformation about vaccine safety—because they want to promote their own in Latin America.

I couldn’t have invented anything as whacky as Mike Laronde.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

swchandler wrote:
By the way, the naturalnews.com website doesn't seem to be featuring Mike Adams. Lots of opinions from others, including many multiples from some. To get to Adams, you must have to dig deep.

Adams also runs vaccines.news, depopulation.news, and pandemic.news. Here's a good recent article
https://pandemic.news/2021-03-31-situation-update-mar-31st-vaccine-money-laundering-scheme-enrich-pharma.html

I got to admit, this is pretty pessimistic, even by my own standards
https://depopulation.news/2021-04-06-situation-update-april-6th-the-vaccinated-will-die-unvaccinated-will-be-hunted.html
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