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rigitrite
Joined: 19 Sep 2007 Posts: 520 Location: Kansas City
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Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:01 am Post subject: |
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If internet forum threads have souls, this ones soul is quietly pleading: "Kill....me.....pleeeeeze.....KILL.....ME!!!!" _________________ Kansas City |
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wsatl
Joined: 30 Sep 2014 Posts: 66
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Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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isobars wrote: | dmilovich wrote: | When my mast and sail have sunk down below, say, 30-45 degrees to the surface, usually clew first, I do this:
-swim ...
-grab the mast ...
-push it ...
-Repeat ...
-working down back to the boom ...
-pull the rig the other way ...
-might need eggbeater/twisting kicking, might not.
[See how much clearer a response can be, Puffin, if the responder parses the post he's addressing?]
Anyway, it works reliably and isn't fatiguing
It would be lovely to assume that since there may some little bit of positive buoyancy in the mast/rig that one could just wait and everything would float to the surface. Doesn't happen in conditions like that, as we all know. |
No, we don't. I do that every time my sail sinks in the wildest conditions the Gorge can throw at us.
Patience, Grasshopper.
Which is more fatiguing if done very often as one poster above suggested ... that list of working and pulling and eggbeating above or cracking those oysters? Heck, if Archimedes, who's always right there to help in any way he can, would crack my oysters for me, I'd expend exactly zero ketones and get a (very) quick nap instead. |
Unlike the Gorge, in some other places, you aren't at the top of the food chain. And, you are at risk of washing into the impact zone. Be careful in invalidating other people's experiences. |
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isobars
Joined: 12 Dec 1999 Posts: 20935
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Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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The OP, shmish, is talking energy conservation ["It was exhausting"], not the landlord or breaking surf.
It's really sad that someone is forcing rigitrite to read this thread. |
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wsatl
Joined: 30 Sep 2014 Posts: 66
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Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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isobars wrote: | The OP, shmish, is talking energy conservation ["It was exhausting"], not the landlord or breaking surf.
It's really sad that someone is forcing rigitrite to read this thread. |
And you were responding to someone who figured out an easy way to clear a sail without taking all day and was sharing it. That may be important to some people reading this thread. He was contributing to the conversation. It may well be that the OP found that an interesting and informative add-on. Or, that someone else who is following this thread finds alternative ways of quickly clearing a sail useful where they sail Maybe where he sails, fully powered 4.0 conditions aren't the conditions where you can just float and enjoy the view.
A lot of people (including some people whose skills and experience I highly admire) have thoughtfully contributed to this thread without invalidating other people's experiences and input. |
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grantmac017
Joined: 04 Aug 2016 Posts: 946
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Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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Where Smish sails, like basically everywhere that isn't a river or lake, there are significant currents and shore break. They don't have the luxuries of an easy spot like the Gorge. |
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isobars
Joined: 12 Dec 1999 Posts: 20935
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Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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Jeez, Grant ... I've sailed many ocean venues on both sides of the continent, including Maui, Florida, the Texas coast, and the Oregon coast in full-on nukers ... plus New Mexico in stronger wind than I've ever encountered in any of those places (it was a good thing I was sailing Hurricane Super Nukers many of those days). I have grounds on which to disagree with someone who claims that some bumps prevent Archimedes from floating the sail or that this thread's laundry list of physical workouts saps no more energy than cracking those figurative oysters.
And you guys don't get to keep moving the jello (sharks, riptides, breaking surf, etc.) you're nailing to the wall retroactively. What's next ... Niagara Falls? The Red Sea? An aircraft carrier wake? The deadly whirlpools we had to avoid at one NM lake? Unprotected dam spillways at two other NM lakes? The shipping lanes I've sailed off Kanaha on sinkers before I could even jibe?
We don't all sail to the same drummer. Any amateur WSer who prefers manhandling his sail out of the water (or jibing his overpowered sail) by brute force after 10 hours in nuking conditions is a bigger man than I, Gunga Din. |
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wsatl
Joined: 30 Sep 2014 Posts: 66
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Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:43 am Post subject: |
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rigitrite wrote: | If internet forum threads have souls, this ones soul is quietly pleading: "Kill....me.....pleeeeeze.....KILL.....ME!!!!" |
Don't worry. Someone keeps pushing a pillow over its face while telling us every place the pillow has ever been. |
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westender
Joined: 02 Aug 2007 Posts: 1288 Location: Portland / Gorge
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Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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Flights of angels sing thee to thy rest. |
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isobars
Joined: 12 Dec 1999 Posts: 20935
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Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2020 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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If I (or Trump) cured cancer*, you clowns would still be ragging on us. How much credence does that lend to your personally biased and thoroughly myopic criticism?
* BTW, I HAVE slowed down my own cancer by many years, and you can guess how: by arguing with and often outright rejecting (based on medical science) many oncologists' demands based on their mindlessly following the crowd. You guys' whining isn't going to change a damned thing except for the small handful of people who reject my opinions and/or facts just because someone told them to with no proof and often even despite proof to the contrary. |
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swchandler
Joined: 08 Nov 1993 Posts: 10588
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Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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After 14 posts on this thread, many of which were deliberately offered to be both arguable and difficult, isobars is now predictably playing the victim card. It's a routine that gets very old, but sadly, he will never change. |
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