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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 10:12 am    Post subject: FISAgate Reply with quote

remember all the FISA judges were right wing appointed judges.

Steele is not a fraud, he is a highly respected MI6 agent. In fact if not the best in the world on russia.

Not one thing has been proved inacurate to date. We even know from trumps bodyguard the russian GRU/KGB did send prostitutes to his room. which trump lied about, but his bodyguard was under oath and could no longer hide the facts. And again this is standard for the gru/kgb to do that. hahahahah you can not prove anything was wrong in the steele dossier. Where we know the russians were attacking the USA election as reported and trump still lies and says they were not.

But the steele dossier was not the main part for the FISA warrant, the person Carter Page has had several FISA warrants because he lied to the FBI and did not take their warning that the russians in a secret communication to their homeland said Page was an asset. Page even gave the russians intellegence on the USA after being warned by the FBI.

Why you would ever not follow/listen to their conversations to someone forever that was claimed to be an asset would be irresponsible, especially if this russian asset was getting into american politics.

So the person who claimed the steele dossie was not credible may be a bit ignorant. Just like Condi Rice when her head of counter intelligence Richard Clarke who did testify under oath on anything and the only member of the Bush administration to do so) was claiming a month or so before something major was coming and they needed a meeting of top people. She deniged the meeting until several days before 9-11. It is always better to err on the side of caution. and in this case Page was a russian asset in play. again first FISA warrant on him 1-2 years before he had anything to do with trump. First FISA warrent on page or when he came to FBI counter-intellegence attention 2013.

https://www.justsecurity.org/59837/reports-carter-page-subject-fisa-warrant-2013-2014/

Reports: Carter Page Was Subject to FISA Warrant in 2013/2014
by Ryan Goodman
July 30, 2018

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If the FBI had already convinced a federal court to issue a warrant to surveil Carter Page under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) in 2013 or 2014, it could add an important data point for discussions of the propriety of the FISA surveillance of Page approved in Oct. 2016 and renewed through to mid-2017. Most news stories and commentaries, however, do not even refer to the possible existence of a 2013 or 2014 FISA warrant. What has been overlooked are the reports, especially by CNN and others, that state such a warrant existed.

Carter Page came to the attention of the FBI long before he joined the Trump campaign, as the Wall Street Journal and other news outlets have reported. In 2013, Russian spies tried to recruit Page as an intelligence source, and Page passed documents to an agent of Russia’s Foreign Intelligence Service. In discussing the Oct. 2016 FISA warrant, the WSJ says, “It isn’t clear whether the department had previously requested a FISA warrant on Mr. Page.”


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/ex-fisa-court-chief-defends-doj-fbi-for-handling-of-carter-page-surveillance-applications

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U.S. District Judge John Bates, who once led the U.S. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, defended the Justice Department and embattled intelligence community for how it handled the application process to obtain warrants to spy on onetime Trump campaign aide Carter Page.

Bates, who was placed on the FISA court by Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts and was its presiding judge from 2009 to 2013, said he has seen no evidence lending credibility to Republican concerns that officials misled the court in obtaining a 2016 FISA warrant and three renewals.

"I will note and note with some force that I have seen nothing that indicates that the court was misled, that the Department of Justice or the intelligence community made misrepresentations to the court," Bates told Lawfare podcast co-hosts David Kris and Nates Jones, the founders of the Culper Partners consulting firm. "And not only have I seen nothing that would indicate that, I have heard nothing that persuasively makes that case."

U.S. District Judge John Bates, who once led the U.S. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, defended the Justice Department and embattled intelligence community for how it handled the application process to obtain warrants to spy on onetime Trump campaign aide Carter Page.

Bates, who was placed on the FISA court by Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts and was its presiding judge from 2009 to 2013, said he has seen no evidence lending credibility to Republican concerns that officials misled the court in obtaining a 2016 FISA warrant and three renewals.

"I will note and note with some force that I have seen nothing that indicates that the court was misled, that the Department of Justice or the intelligence community made misrepresentations to the court," Bates told Lawfare podcast co-hosts David Kris and Nates Jones, the founders of the Culper Partners consulting firm. "And not only have I seen nothing that would indicate that, I have heard nothing that persuasively makes that case."


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/21/us/politics/carter-page-fisa.html

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But Democrats noted that the application also contained evidence against Mr. Page unrelated to the dossier, and an unredacted portion of the application discussed efforts by Russian agents in 2013 to recruit Americans as assets. It has previously been reported that Mr. Page was one of their targets, although any discussion of Mr. Page’s interactions with them in the application is still censored.


https://www.justsecurity.org/63398/revisiting-carter-page/

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Yet in Carter Page’s case, the FBI clearly did not believe they had hit a dead end. A FISA warrant targeting a United States person must be renewed every 90 days, as Page’s was on three separate occasions, by three different FISA Court judges. Those renewal applications would not merely have recited the evidence supporting the initial order: They would have been expected to describe the fruits of previous surveillance, and justify continued monitoring by showing that useful intelligence was being gathered—or, at the very least, that there was good reason to expect some in the future.

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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmTpy9mSt-8

Cuomo EXPOSE Trump Authorizes Barr To DECLASSIFY Russia Probe Make Mueller Quickly FINISH HIM OFF

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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

under trump there was already a first investigation by DOJ by the inspector general and they found no wrongdoing by the FBI. then former attorney general asked for another investigation which is not completed, being done by us attorney in Utah. again these were all started, under right wing waco trump.

and now wasting more tax dollars a third investigation.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/new-trump-order-a-grotesque-abuse-fmr-doj-counterintel-chief-60226117896?cid=eml_mra_20190524

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/trump-campaign-was-not-spied-on-doj-ig-barr-reverts-to-deceit-74816581801?cid=eml_mra_20191210

Trump campaign was not spied on: DOJ IG; Barr reverts to deceit
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Rachel Maddow reports on some of the findings in the DOJ inspector general report, including that the FBI did not spy on the Trump campaign, debunking a flat accusation leveled by William Barr in congressional testimony in April. Rather than showing contrition for being so wrong, Barr followed his Mueller report playbook, presenting a deceptive new narrative
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