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mac
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| techno900 wrote: | mac said: | Quote: | | What horseshit. You made a posting to try to infer that this guy was indeed a climate scientist. As I've said, just give me one peer reviewed article. You can't. But this is what his credibility is: |
Sad, sad, sad. "try to infer" - as you say is "horseshit". If you have an issue with credibility, write Wikipedia and have them change their description.
Is this incorrect?: | Quote: | | Ph.D. in ecological climatology from the University of Wisconsin–Madison. |
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Can you cite one of his papers? One that has been peer-reviewed? Do you have a better source than Wikipedia? NW will say that facts don’t matter. |
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mac
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| Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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Of course there is more. The Cato Institute was created by one of the Koch’s, with one objective to cast doubt on climate science. Did I say that working for the Cato Institute and taking big money from big oil damages one’s credibility? An interesting take that is kinder to Michaels than I would be. https://www.eenews.net/stories/1060419123
But those who track the denier industry have followed him, and his sources of funding.
https://www.desmogblog.com/patrick-michaels
It is very clear that you can make lots more money working for denier “lie” tanks than actually doing real science and having your work peer-reviewed. |
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mac
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| Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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Fear of stranded assets. Fraud perpetrated by big oil and their minions, including Patrick Michaels and most of Mike Fick's other "credible" sources.
| Quote: | | JPMorgan Chase & Co. plans to announce a range of climate change initiatives today, including restrictions on financing coal mining and Arctic drilling. The investment firm - which has faced years of criticism from environmental groups for financing fossil fuel companies - also plans this year to "support climate action" by facilitating $200 billion in transactions to advance sustainable development goals set by the United Nations. (Reuters) |
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mac
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| Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:45 am Post subject: |
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| isobars wrote: | https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/38141849_Patrick_J_Michaels
Fucking idiots. |
It is interesting that isobars found a list of Michaels publications that I hadn’t found. One of the papers seemed to be on point—it covers glacier melting in Greenland. So here is a pretty detailed take down of that paper. It seems that Michaels truncated the data set to argue that the melting going on now is no greater than melting that has occurred in the past. But he left out 2010–the year with the greatest melt.
This, boys and girls, is why we have peer review.
http://www.meltfactor.org/blog/?p=294 |
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vientomas
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| Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:41 am Post subject: |
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| isobars wrote: | https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/38141849_Patrick_J_Michaels
Fucking idiots. |
I agree. You and the 3 Stooges. |
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vientomas
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| Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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We all like wind here:
In 2019, U.S. annual wind generation exceeded hydroelectric generation for the first time, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration’s Electric Power Monthly. Wind is now the top renewable source of electricity generation in the country, a position previously held by hydroelectricity.
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=42955 |
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mac
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| Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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As usual, Mike Fick either doesn't read the articles he cites as proof that the planet is not warming, or misunderstands them. If you scroll through the list he provided, you find that not much is related to global warming, and most of it is pretty old. But one is on-point, and I copied the abstract so you can see the conclusion. From Michael's paper "A Reconstructed 1784-2007 Time Series of Greenland Melt Extent"
| Quote: | | Total melt on the Greenland ice sheet has been rising over the past several decades. The melt extent observed in 2007 was the greatest on record according to several satellite-derived indices of Greenland melt. Observed melt extent across the Greenland ice sheet has been shown to be strongly related to summer station temperatures from locations along Greenland's coastal periphery, as well as to variations in the circulation of the atmosphere across the North Atlantic. We exploit these relationships with historical temperature and circulation observations to develop a 224-yr reconstructed history of annual Greenland melt extent from the late 18th century to 2007. This reconstruction allows us to put recent melt, particularly 2007, into a historical perspective and compare current melt to the well-known warm period in the early half of the 20th century. Our reconstruction indicates that the melt observed since the late 1990s is likely among the highest extents to have occurred since the late 18th century, although recent values are not statistically different from those common during the period 1923-1961, a time when summer temperatures along the southern coast of Greenland were similarly high as those experienced in recent years. The reconstruction indicates that if the current trend toward increasing melt extent continues, total melt across the Greenland ice sheet will exceed historic values of the past two and a quarter centuries. |
As I noted earlier, Michaels was criticized because he did not include 2010 data. Indeed, he hasn't published research on aspects of climate change, except scare you books for the right wing, since about 2009. And of course the rapid melting of glaciers in Greenland has continued, not merely apace, but even faster. Here from Scott Snowden in Forbes last August:
| Quote: | Last week, the world received yet another stark reminder of what's yet to come as temperatures at the highest point of the Greenland ice sheet rose above freezing and melted the snow there for the first time since July 2012 and perhaps only the third time in the last 700 years. The glacier-covered island lost 12.5 billion tons of ice in one day.
As climate scientist Martin Stendel points out, that's enough to cover all of Florida with almost five inches of water. Or, in metric units, enough to cover Germany with almost 7cm of water. Or Denmark with half a meter of water. |
I would love to see conclusive evidence that we have over-reacted to the signs of climate change. Unfortunately, what I see instead is the Ann Coulter's of the consulting world making big bucks selling to outraged right wingers, and cherry-picking data to do so. And folks like Mike Fick assuring us that he knows what he is talking about--and demonstrating yet again that he doesn't. |
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mac
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Despite Trump's efforts to do anything big oil asks, his incompetence keeps getting in the way. Here's yet another loss in court.
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A U.S. District Court judge has blocked the Interior Department from suspending an Obama-era rule meant to prevent planet-warming methane from escaping during oil and natural gas operations.
The ruling marks the latest setback for the Trump administration as it seeks to roll back regulations aimed at mitigating the impacts of climate change. It illustrates the challenge President Donald Trump faces in defending his deregulation agenda against a torrent of lawsuits after swiftly moving last year to wipe out much of his predecessor’s environmental legacy.
Last year, the Interior Department announced it would suspend the methane waste rule while it considered weakening or rescinding it. At the time, the agency argued that enforcing a rule that it planned to substantially alter would put undue burden on drillers.
On Thursday, the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California granted a request for a preliminary injunction to the states of California and New Mexico, which are challenging Interior’s suspension. The ruling means the Interior Department’s Bureau of Land Management will have to enforce the rule.
In his decision Thursday, Judge William Orrick said the plaintiffs were likely to prevail in the case on the merits because the BLM’s reasoning was “untethered to evidence.”
The plaintiffs “have shown irreparable injury caused by the waste of publicly owned natural gas, increased air pollution and associated health impacts, and exacerbated climate impacts,” Orrick said.
He also denied Interior’s request to move the case to the District of Wyoming, where a related case is pending.
Efforts by the energy industry and the Trump administration to delay the methane rule have twice been blocked by federal courts in Wyoming and California. Republican Sens. John McCain, Lindsey Graham and Susan Collins joined Democratic lawmakers to block an effort to scrap the rule in May.
The rule in question is meant to reduce leaking, venting and flaring of methane from drilling activity on federal land. Natural gas is primarily composed of methane, a greenhouse gas that is more potent than carbon dioxide, but remains in the atmosphere for less time.
Earlier this month, Interior announced its final plan for the rule, which would rescind all of its key elements.
A separate request for a preliminary injunction brought by several environmental and tribal groups against Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke and the department was combined with California’s and New Mexico’s request.
“Once again, the Trump administration’s attempts to waste our natural resources and pollute our communities has come up short in the courts,” Lauren Pagel, policy director at Earthworks, said in a statement.
“Zinke’s blatant disregard for facts and science has allowed natural resources owned by all Americans to be unnecessarily wasted for months while this rule should have been in effect.”
The Interior Department declined to comment on the ruling. |
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isobars
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| The AGW alarmists want to redistribute scores of trillions of dollars, ban cars and planes, and make us eat primarily tofu, ADMITTEDLY (by AOC's campaign manager) based purely on politics and politically biased models. Are the implications of the coronavirus models' drastic overestimate and downgrading of the death tally completely lost on them? |
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