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techno900



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2022 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac wrote:
techno900 wrote:
Lost on Mac is the potential for numerous open pit mines in the US (one in Calif. now), that will contradict the goal of a cleaner environment from electric cars.


Unable to come up with facts, or a coherent argument, Techno just imagines a future world in which his paranoia ha come true.


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Gov. Gavin Newsom, a Democrat, envisions that California's lithium can position the state to become a leader in the production of batteries. He called the state the “Saudi Arabia of lithium" during a January address.

Dee Dee Myers, a senior adviser to Newsom focused on business, said that lithium is an “increasingly critical resource” as California and the world pursue clean energy development to slow climate change impacts.


Read the rest of the story at:

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2022-03-28/us-seeks-new-lithium-sources-as-demand-for-batteries-grows
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mac



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2022 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is apparent that Techno didn’t bother to read his citation, and knows nothing about California that he doesn’t read in Red State brainwashing sources. From the article, about development of lithium in California:



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Dee Dee Myers, a senior adviser to Newsom focused on business, said that lithium is an “increasingly critical resource” as California and the world pursue clean energy development to slow climate change impacts.

The state has an opportunity to produce “epic quantities of lithium” given the resources around the Salton Sea, Myers said. But she said it wants to ensure lithium is extracted and produced sustainably.

State government could play a role in regulating the extraction process. In 2020, California also created the Lithium Valley Commission to review and analyze incentives for lithium extraction. They must file a report with their findings by October.


Techno doubles down on his ignorance about California—the cited source passes briefly over the drying up of the Salton Sea—but ignores the causes and the environmental damage. Extensive farming, in many cases of poorly suitable land, has shrunk the sea, and salt build-up has killed much of the wildlife. The dried mudflats result in fine particles high in salts blowing around, and are an extensive risk to local health. Well regulated extraction of lithium could, ironically, be an upgrade to the environment. I guess the term sustainable confuses folks from pig farm states.

Finally, what went right past Techno is the fundamental differences between the landscapes. Poorly regulated hillside mining in places like Kentucky have destroyed the natural value of huge landscapes, impoverished the working class, and dramatically increased flooding risk. Floods and scofflaw mine owners have killed many people—and enriched McConnell. In contrast, lithium mining in pits in the broad valleys near the Salton Sea would have no impact on hydrology and thus flooding.

Mining for bias confirmation is the sad state that replaces what used to be taught—critical thinking.
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techno900



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gee, sharing news stories really gets under Mac's skin.
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mac



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

techno900 wrote:
Gee, sharing news stories really gets under Mac's skin.


No. Clipping a quote to elide references to regulation and sustainability is dishonest. Dishonesty gets under my skin.

Techno’s preferred energy sources:

Mountaintop mining in Kentucky: http://mountainroadshow.com/gallery/

Shale oil development in Canada: https://www.businessinsider.com/photos-destructive-canada-oil-sands-2012-10#the-alberta-oil-sands-are-spread-across-more-than-54000-square-miles-but-were-taking-a-look-at-just-a-small-part-of-that--the-red-line-is-an-approximate-outline-of-the-entire-deposit--the-green-is-where-well-be-flying-2

And of course, the buggy whips of the world will come up with talking points to divert from these sad facts.

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A new study published in Nature Communications found tropical storms are regularly forming before the official June 1 start of the Atlantic hurricane season, as climate change has caused warming oceans that ultimately lead to stronger, wetter and more destructive storms. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration is currently considering a May 15 start date to the Atlantic season, which would line up with the eastern Pacific hurricane season and reflect the study's observations. (The Washington Post)
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I posted:


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Gov. Gavin Newsom, a Democrat, envisions that California's lithium can position the state to become a leader in the production of batteries. He called the state the “Saudi Arabia of lithium" during a January address.

Dee Dee Myers, a senior adviser to Newsom focused on business, said that lithium is an “increasingly critical resource” as California and the world pursue clean energy development to slow climate change impacts.

Read the rest of the story at:

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2022-03-28/us-seeks-new-lithium-sources-as-demand-for-batteries-grows


A couple of quotes from a US News story and that sets Mac off on a rant. So much entertainment with so little effort. Maybe Newsom calling the state the "Saudi Arabia of lithium" ruffled his feathers.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Techno continues to try to divert from the sad fact that coal mining in Kentucky has killed people due to unsafe mining practices and contribution to increased flooding.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2022 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not clear how much this might have to do with climate change. But the antipathy of Texans towards any type of urban planning certainly increased the damage.

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Dallas area hit by 1-in-1,000-year flood; cars float in water-filled roads
By Annabelle Timsit and Zach Rosenthal
Updated August 22, 2022 at 11:14 a.m. EDT|Published August 22, 2022 at 7:19 a.m. EDT


Flash floods struck the Dallas-Fort Worth area overnight into Monday, with flooded roads requiring rescue efforts as images showed abandoned cars floating down inundated streets. In some areas, the rainfall totals would be considered a 1-in-1,000-year flood.

Rain continues to fall in and around Dallas; some rainfall gauges in the area have recorded more than 10 inches thus far. A record-breaking 3.01 inches of rain was also recorded in one hour at Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport. The National Weather Service in Fort Worth warned of continued risk for “life-threatening flash flooding,” extending its flash flood warning in and around Dallas County until 10 a.m. Central time.

The risk of damage from the floods is “considerable,” it said, warning residents not to drive on flooded roads and to move immediately to higher ground. Flash flood warnings have also been issued for Fort Worth and Canton, Tex.


In some isolated cases, the rainfall would qualify as a 1-in-1,000 interval flood. The downpour marked the latest such flood that has occurred over the past few weeks across the United States. In one week alone, three 1-in-1,000-year rain events occurred — inundating St. Louis, eastern Kentucky and southeastern Illinois. While controversial, the term is used to describe a rainfall event that is expected once in every 1,000 years, meaning it has just a 0.1 percent chance of happening in any given year.

How two 1-in-1,000-year rain events hit the U.S. in two days

Jeff Lindner, a meteorologist for Harris County, Tex., noted on Twitter that one weather gauge recorded nearly 40 percent of its typical annual rainfall in just 12 hours.

Later that morning, that same gauge tallied over 12.6 inches of rain, still within 12 hours.

Water levels at Trinity River in Dallas are expected to enter minor flood stage Monday into Tuesday.

Such rates of precipitation are nearly impossible for soils — not to mention impervious paved surfaces — to absorb without runoff that can cause flash flooding.


The concept of a thousand-year rainstorm is legitimate but limited. Here’s what you should understand about it.

After the flooding rains move out of the Dallas area, they are expecting to continue to track along Interstate 20 toward areas such as Shreveport, La. The National Weather Service’s Weather Prediction Center has issued a moderate risk of excessive rainfall for northeastern Texas and northwestern Louisiana, with 3 to 5 inches of rain expected in the area and rates of 2 to 3 inches per hour possible.

More excessive rain is expected Tuesday, with the moderate risk for heavy rainfall spreading farther across northern Louisiana into parts of Alabama.

Before Monday’s intense rainfall, the Dallas-Fort Worth area was in the midst of a substantial drought. All of Dallas County has been experiencing at least extreme drought for the past three months, according to the U.S. Drought Monitor.

At one point, Dallas had dozens of days above 100 degrees and 67 days in a row without any rainfall, a streak that was finally broken Aug. 9. Now, in a shocking reversal, it is likely that this August will be Dallas’s wettest since 1899, the Weather Channel’s Jim Cantore noted on Twitter.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like this type of technology..

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Battery made of aluminum, sulfur and salt proves fast, safe and low-cost

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2022 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there a special place reserved in hell for deniers that knew better, but made money pimping for big carbon?

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By Chris Mooney
August 29, 2022 at 11:00 a.m. EDT

Meltwater flows from the Greenland ice sheet into the Baffin Bay near Pituffik, Greenland, on July 17 as captured from the ground during a NASA mission along with University of Texas scientists to measure melting Arctic sea ice. (Kerem Yucel/AFP/Getty Images)

Human-driven climate change has set in motion massive ice losses in Greenland that couldn’t be halted even if the world stopped emitting greenhouse gases today, according to a new study published Monday.

The findings in Nature Climate Change project that it is now inevitable that 3.3 percent of the Greenland ice sheet will melt — equal to 110 trillion tons of ice, the researchers said. That will trigger nearly a foot of global sea-level rise.

The predictions are more dire than other forecasts, though they use different assumptions. While the study did not specify a time frame for the melting and sea-level rise, the authors suggested much of it can play out between now and the year 2100.

“The point is, we need to plan for that ice as if it weren’t on the ice sheet in the near future, within a century or so,” William Colgan, a study co-author who studies the ice sheet from its surface with his colleagues at the Geological Survey of Denmark and Greenland, said in a video interview.

“Every study has bigger numbers than the last. It’s always faster than forecast,” Colgan said.

One reason that new research appears worse than other findings may just be that it is simpler. It tries to calculate how much ice Greenland must lose as it recalibrates to a warmer climate. In contrast, sophisticated computer simulations of how the ice sheet will behave under future scenarios for global emissions have produced less alarming predictions.

A one-foot rise in global sea levels would have severe consequences. If the sea level along the U.S. coasts rose by an average of 10 to 12 inches by 2050, a recent report from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration found, the most destructive floods would take place five times as often, and moderate floods would become 10 times as frequent.

‘They are not slowing down’: The rise of billion-dollar disasters

Other countries — low-lying island nations and developing ones, like Bangladesh — are even more vulnerable. These nations, which have done little to fuel the higher temperatures that are now thawing the Greenland ice sheet, lack the billions of dollars it will take to adapt to rising seas.

The paper’s lead author, Geological Survey of Denmark and Greenland scientist Jason Box, collaborated with scientists based at institutions in Belgium, Denmark, Finland, Norway, the Netherlands, Switzerland and the United States to assess the extent of ice loss already locked in by human activity.

Just last year, the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change — which generally forecasts lower figures for total ice loss from Greenland by the end of the century — projected around half a foot of sea-level rise from Greenland by the year 2100 at the high end. That scenario assumed humans would emit a large amount of greenhouse gases for another 80 years.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2022 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No one thinks the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) has anything significant to do with inflation. Rather, it's pure Anthropometric Global Warming Alarmism politics. For example, it dedicates 2/3 of a trillion dollars to a hypothetical (i.e., wishful thinking) 0.0009 F degree reduction in world temperature IF every IRA mandate is strictly observed. Even mac knows that is no threat whatsoever to Obama's new beachfront mansion.

Source: The climate model used for all major U.N. climate reports when fed the IRA's predicted emissions effects, as explained by the Copenhagen Consensus in the WSJ.
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