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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And there's more. If Kim Kardashian asks, maybe they'll get clemency. And tens of thousands of dollars have been raised by those close to Trump pimping for pardons.

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Carol D. Leonnig,
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President Trump is preparing to pardon or commute the sentences of more than 100 people in his final hours in office, decisions that are expected to be announced Monday or Tuesday, according to two people familiar with the discussions, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the plans.

Trump met Sunday with his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, daughter Ivanka Trump and other aides for a significant amount of the day to review a long list of pardon requests and discuss lingering questions about their appeals, according to the multiple people briefed on the meeting. The president was personally engaged with the details of specific cases, one person said.

In the past week, Trump has been particularly consumed with the question of whether to issue preemptive pardons to his adult children, top aides and himself, said the people familiar with discussions.

But it remains unclear whether he will make such a move. Although he has mused about the possibility, no final decisions have been reached, and some advisers have warned against using his pardon power to benefit himself.

Neither Trump nor his children have been charged with crimes, and they are not known to be under federal investigation.

But the question of a presidential self-pardon has become more urgent and controversial since the Jan. 6 storming of the U.S. Capitol by the president’s supporters. Some aides think Trump could face criminal liability for inciting the crowd.

Others think a self-pardon, never before attempted by a president, would be of dubious constitutionality but could anger Senate Republicans preparing to serve as key jurors at Trump’s impeachment trial, and would amount to an admission of guilt that could be used against Trump in potential civil litigation related to the Capitol attack.

White House spokesman Judd Deere declined to comment, saying his office does not discuss pardons.

People familiar with the discussions said that many of the pardons and commutations Trump is expected to issue in his final days will be uncontroversial.

But it remains unknown whether he will grant clemency to Stephen K. Bannon, his former campaign adviser, who was charged last year with defrauding donors to a private fundraising effort for construction of a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border, or his personal attorney Rudolph W. Giuliani, whose consulting business has come under scrutiny as part of an investigation that led to charges against two of his associates.

The news of Trump’s intention to make a slew of final pardons and commutations in the coming days was first reported by CNN.

The president has been besieged by lobbyists and lawyers for well-heeled clients who are seeking to have their criminal convictions wiped from their records, as well as by advocates for criminal justice reform, who argue that their clients were wrongly convicted or were given unfair sentences and deserve to be freed from prison.

Trump has told advisers for weeks that he wants to be liberal with pardons before leaving office. Aides have said the ability to grant clemency is a perk of the job Trump has particularly relished because the Constitution hands the power to the president alone.

But the president’s review of pardon candidates had been delayed by the intensifying dysfunction inside the White House since the November election and Trump’s focus on trying to challenge and undermine the results, according to people familiar with the discussions.

Some candidates were told last week by the White House Counsel’s Office that no pardons could be granted that were not finalized by Friday. Then word of the president’s last-minute weekend review and preliminary decisions to grant numerous pardons and commutations began to trickle out.

So far, Trump has granted clemency to 94 people, including 49 he issued in the week before Christmas — mostly to friends and political allies.

They have included people who had been convicted in the special counsel investigation that dominated his first two years in office, including his former campaign chairman Paul Manafort and longtime confidant Roger Stone. Just before Thanksgiving, he pardoned Michael T. Flynn, who had briefly served as Trump’s first national security adviser and was later accused of lying to the FBI during its investigation of Russian interference in Trump’s 2016 election win.

Other Trump pardons issued in the closing weeks of his time in office have gone to Charles Kushner — the father of his son-in-law — as well as three Republican former members of Congress and four military contractors involved in the killing of unarmed civilians during the Iraq War.


About 14,000 people have filed petitions for pardons and commutations. For years, criminal justice advocates have criticized Republican and Democratic administrations alike for backlogs that left thousands of rehabilitated people seeking mercy to languish in prison.

Trump has moved especially slowly in acting on pending petitions. Rather than consult with the Justice Department’s pardon attorney for recommendations, he has routinely gone around the formal process and sought advice about pardons from a circle of friends, lobbyists and lawmakers.

Many of those to whom he has shown presidential mercy have not even filed applications with the Justice Department and violate rules the department normally imposes as preconditions for clemency, which include that people generally first acknowledge their crimes and show remorse.

Even when Trump has granted clemency to people who are not themselves politically connected, they have often come to his attention via a handful of his favored voices in the field of criminal justice reform.

For instance, a number of ordinary people granted clemency have been recommended to the president by Alice Johnson, whose own prison sentence after a drug conviction was commuted by Trump in 2018 following lobbying by the celebrity Kim Kardashian. Johnson later received a full pardon after speaking at the 2020 Republican National Convention.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmm just wondering what the constitution specifically can mean when i thiunk there is a reference that pardons can not be for impeached, "is it brad enough to mean since he is impeached he may not give pardons till his impeachment is completed with the senate?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

there was a discussion on msnbc last night that was alarming, they said trump was doing silent pardons, as the constitution does not say he can't.

IE he did pardon himself and family and more. Only if you charge the person with a federal offense will they have to publicly state they received a pardon.

what a crock of right wing BS.

again this is to get around it being public which trumps would be hated for self pardoning.

can you imagine the abuse, trump going to all rich and tell them if they pay him 100 million or more he will pardon them in two years. He will just tell them to say it was while he was president and both lie. there is no-one to prove either is lying.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://news.yahoo.com/michael-cohen-suggests-trump-may-081949116.html


Michael Cohen suggests Trump may have already secretly pardoned himself and his children


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Donald Trump’s former lawyer Michael Cohen said that the ex-president might have issued secret pardons to himself and his children during his tenure, which he will reveal if he is indicted.

Talking to MSNBC, Mr Cohen said he believes Mr Trump has already pardoned himself, his lawyer Rudy Giuliani, and his children in what he termed as “pocket pardons” to save themselves from criminal conviction if needed.

The former president had issued a slew of pardons in his final days of office. He granted clemency to 70 people and commuted the sentences of a further 73 people, excluding himself and his family by using his presidential powers.

Mr Cohen wondered why the former president did not pardon himself, saying that the one thing Mr Trump fears the most is serving a jail term.

"I kind of think I figured it out," he said to MSNBC host Alex Witt. "I think Donald Trump actually has given himself the pardon. I think he also has pocket pardons for his children and for Rudy and it's already stashed somewhere that, if and when they do get indicted and that there's a criminal conviction, federal criminal conviction brought against him, that he already has the pardons in hand."

He said he reached the conclusion after some research over the legality of pardons being disclosed to the people and press.

The estranged former lawyer of Mr Trump said he could not find anything in the Constitution that said he has to make the pardons public and it is more in line to what anti-Trump attorney George Conway said.

Mr Conway had written in The Washington Post that the former president could break a “number of laws” in fear of criminal indictment and should be tried for his crimes.

Mr Trump not issuing pardons for himself and his family came as a surprise to many experts and politicians, given that the Trump family faces legal troubles more than any other presidential family in American history.

According to reports by Reuters and The New York Times, Mr Trump had said to his aides that he wanted “preemptive” pardons that are issued before any charges are filed.

The report said, citing sources, Mr Trump’s “level of interest in pardoning himself goes beyond idle musings.”

However, there is no definitive answer to the question of whether a president can pardon himself, as the Constitution does not mention this possibility and none of the former presidents have used this power for themselves in the past.

However, scholars have said it would be unconstitutional, as it is against the basic principle that no one could be the judge of their own wrongdoings.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lock him up....lock him up... lock him up... these are not jay walking offenses..

https://theweek.com/speedreads/964748/stephen-bannon-pardoned-by-trump-may-now-charged-over-same-scheme-new-york


Stephen Bannon, pardoned by Trump, may now be charged over the same scheme in New York


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The office of Manhattan District Attorney Cy Vance has reviewed all 143 of the pardons and commutations issued by former President Donald Trump in his final hours in office, and it's weighing whether to bring charges against former Trump strategist Stephen Bannon and Ken Kurson, a friend of Jared Kushner, Trump's son in law, The New York Times and The Washington Post report. Presidential clemency covers only federal crimes, and both men were pardoned before their cases went to trial, meaning they almost certainly wouldn't be protected by New York State's double-jeopardy law.

Bannon and three associates not pardoned by Trump were charged in August with defrauding investors in an enterprise called Build the Wall; Bannon was accused of personally receiving more than $1 million of the $25 million raised to build border wall on private land. All four men pleaded not guilty. Vance's prosecutors "have taken significant steps in their investigation" of Bannon, the Times reports, "including seeking records and requesting to interview at least one potential witness." Vance would have jurisdiction because some of Bannon's alleged victims live in Manhattan.

Kurson, a former editor of The New York Observer who is also close with Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani, was arrested in October on charges of cyberstalking and harassment tied to the 2015 dissolution of his marriage, the Times reports. "He was accused of having stalked a Manhattan doctor, her colleague, and the colleague's spouse."

Vance's office has been investigating Trump and his family business on tax fraud and other charges since 2019, and it is currently awaiting a second Supreme Court ruling on whether it can obtain eight years of Trump's tax returns. Vance also charged another Trump campaign official, Paul Manafort, with mortgage fraud and more than a dozen other state felonies in 2019, before Trump pardoned him, but the case was dismissed on double-jeopardy grounds. Vance has appealed that ruling to a higher state court, arguing that the lower court misread the law, the Post reports. Peter Weber

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12cMFJanCLY


Legal Bombshell: DOJ Investigating 'Bribery-For-Pardon' Scheme | The Beat With Ari Melber | MSNBC


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MSNBC's Chief Legal Correspondent Ari Melber reports on the breaking news that federal investigators are looking into a potential “bribery-for-pardon” scheme involving presidential pardons, according to federal court documents unsealed by the chief judge for the federal court in Washington D.C.. Chairman Adam Schiff and Watergate prosecutor Nick Akerman react to the news and discuss the heavily redacted court documents. (This interview is from MSNBC’s “The Beat with Ari Melber, a news show covering politics, law and culture airing nightly at 6pm ET on

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2021 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/trump-pardon-worthless-to-kushner-pal-facing-new-state-charges-119009861883?cid=eml_mra_20210819&user_email=e73377d3e40790eecbf6a99203e1476ea2a23c644c2045abd739b8f9e629a73b


Trump pardon worthless to Kushner pal facing new state charges



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Rachel Maddow reports on Ken Kurson, friend of Donald Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner, who was pardoned of federal charges by Trump before he ever went to trial, but now faces charges from New York State, which is not bound by federal pardons.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2022 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-jan-6-pardons-liz-cheney-capitol-riot-do-it-again-190710544.html

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Liz Cheney says Trump's offer to consider Jan. 6 pardons shows 'he'd do it all again'



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Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., on Monday warned that former President Donald Trump’s suggestion at a weekend rally that he might pardon those who have been convicted of crimes related to the deadly Jan. 6, 2021, assault on the U.S. Capitol shows he would “do it all again.”

“Trump uses language he knows caused the Jan 6 violence; suggests he’d pardon the Jan 6 defendants, some of whom have been charged with seditious conspiracy; threatens prosecutors; and admits he was attempting to overturn the election,” Cheney tweeted. “He’d do it all again if given the chance.”

At a rally in Conroe, Texas, on Saturday, Trump said he would consider pardoning people convicted of joining the attack if he is elected to a second term in 2024.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it really is time to get an amendment to the constitution that no president may pardon those he knows or have ever known as well as those he insights to break laws.

Chuck Rosen spells out trumps latest telling people he will pardon them thus keep your mouths shut as he has already pardoned his criminals. and thus future criminals like rioters will know they too will get pardons if they help overthrow the elections.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce3saV6P3f4


'A Pernicious Threat': Trump Incitement Of Mob Triggers Security, Safety Concerns


[quote]Chuck Rosenberg, former U.S. attorney, talks with Rachel Maddow about Fulton County, Georgia District Attorney Fani Willis asking for security help in a public letter after Donald Trump criticism of prosecutors investigating him caused an increase in threats.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Truck Fump 2024!
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