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Darbonne
Joined: 27 Jan 2012 Posts: 252 Location: Farmerville, Louisiana
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Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 8:50 am Post subject: Foil tips for beginners |
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This vid answers some of the questions I have had about foiling. I have been wondering how to get started. The answer is uphaul. I need to watch it again when I have more time. Another question I have is can you foil with a longboard?
http://www.windsurf.co.uk/foil-windsurfing-beginner-tips/
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gregnw44
Joined: 23 Jul 2008 Posts: 783 Location: Seattle, Wa
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Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:35 am Post subject: Re: Foil tips for beginners |
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Darbonne wrote: | This vid answers some of the questions I have had about foiling. I have been wondering how to get started. The answer is uphaul. I need to watch it again when I have more time. Another question I have is can you foil with a longboard?
http://www.windsurf.co.uk/foil-windsurfing-beginner-tips/ |
No, you can't.
I mean, the current generation of popular Windfoils, which is getting all the attention for the last year or so... and which you can actually buy... are all for various sizes of shortboards. They are inserted into the finbox... or via a plate at the finbox. They would NOT be able to lift up the weight and leverage of a longboard (with a sailor and rig).
I've only seen prototypes for longboards. And these have been experimented with since 1979 and now. But nothing tried and practical for production and mass market appeal... for longboards, at this time (that I've seen).
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gregnw44
Joined: 23 Jul 2008 Posts: 783 Location: Seattle, Wa
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Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for posting this vid... I'd heard about it, but not seen it yet !!
It was made by Big Winds in Hood River.
Eddy P - Big Winds manager, and former editor of Windsurfing Mag in the US, and high wind extreme sailor... is interviewing...
MacRae W - full time, basically pro sailor, wave and slalom competitor who finishes near the top in both disciplines. He sails all summer in the Gorge and all winter in Baja.
I talked to MacRae at the Event Site in the Gorge about all this last month. And talked to Eddy at the store later that weekend.
The only update I'd add to all the great info in this vid, is...
That MacRae is a lighter weight guy (his weight is in the vid) and a highly skilled and very efficient sailor, who normally is sailing in stronger wind than some of us. So for heavier guys (I'm 200 lbs) many people are suggesting wider boards than he suggests in this vid. And you can use a bigger sail, than he suggests.
I will be using an old FW board which they both said (and many other people) will be great. And I'll use a bigger sail, but will be cautious
Anyway, great vid... thanks to both of them for doing it !!
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bmoore98
Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 76
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Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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Tony, here is an interesting site for wind foiling.
http://www.foil-academy.com/courses/wind-foil-academy
I was making good progress last year with foiling until I had to shut down for rotator cuff surgery. Hopefully my surgeon will clear me to "ease back into my activities" this Thursday.
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dllee
Joined: 03 Jul 2009 Posts: 5329 Location: East Bay
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Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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There are 7 foil rider's who rig where I do every day I go windsurfing, if the tide is above 3'.
All use Formula boards.
All use sail sizing SMALLER than what they'd use for slalom sailing, and around 4-5 meter's smaller than what they needed for Formula racing.
The guys my size usually use slightly bigger sails than I do for my freeride windsurfing, while they are doing course slalom. They need more active pumping and ooching to get the board up onto a plane, before they can fly the foil. Once up, they can glide in much lighter breeze than I can.
I'm 160ls. The foil guys around 200 usually use about 1 meter bigger sails than I do, I guess about what they would need if they were freeriding.
For learning, everyone proposes to use a much smaller sail, almost wave sail sizing for your body weight, then learn to pump onto the foil, which does foil in much lighter winds than the board needs to plane up.
And while you're pumping your Formula board onto a foil, remember your "mast", which is now a fin, is much bigger than any 70 cm Formula fin.
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Darbonne
Joined: 27 Jan 2012 Posts: 252 Location: Farmerville, Louisiana
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Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:16 am Post subject: |
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Now that I think about it, foiling on a longboard doesn't make much sense. Duh!
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jlooby
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rswabsin
Joined: 14 May 2000 Posts: 444 Location: New Jersey
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skyking1231
Joined: 10 Jul 2000 Posts: 280
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Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 6:08 am Post subject: |
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i see in robby's video....he starts out in the straps and pumps up onto the foil....(he demonstrates this). are the other boards the same ? (horue, slinghot, JP)
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grantmac017
Joined: 04 Aug 2016 Posts: 946
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skyking1231 wrote: | i see in robby's video....he starts out in the straps and pumps up onto the foil....(he demonstrates this). are the other boards the same ? (horue, slinghot, JP) |
Wide board with thick rails and inboard straps combined with a very early lifting foil.
Locals report that with FW boards you can easily slog in the evening front strap and pump from there.
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