Israel, Iran and obama

nw30 · Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:20 pm Post subject:

mac, you keep going on like this is some sort of final deal (you wish) but it's far from that, but Iran is happy anyway. Another successful stall tactic falls into place, they are buying time as if it were free. It's a verbal outline that both sides are so far telling their people two different versions of, but you like it, even though it seem there are two versions, take your pick.
And keep on trusting! Like Mr. Natural, marching to an Iranian beat.
I know you read Zap comics, you had to of.

mac · Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:07 pm Post subject:

So will any of you clowns actually read the outline of the deal, which reduces the number of centrifuges dramatically and includes inspections, and tell me what specifically you object to?

nw30 · Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 1:04 pm Post subject:

Unfettered surprise inspections, w/o warning, not only on public lands, but on military bases as well, no matter how deep they are.
Unfettered surprise inspections, w/o warning, on new suspected enrichment facilities not previously listed, no matter how deep they are.
No lifting of any sanctions for at least a number of years to assure they are in fact complying. Once a sanction is lifted, it will be very hard to re-establish it, corporations will go in and establish businesses that will end up being a huge pushback on re-establishing the sanction.

"Keeping Iran one year away from nuke weapons for at least 10 years."
That I completely don't understand, why 10 years, what is so special about 10 years? So we'll have nothing to worry about for 10 years?
10 years goes by very quickly.
How about 30 years, or better yet, never?

Yeah, I've got big problems with what I've heard so far.

mac · Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 2:30 pm Post subject:

Almost not clownish. First, do you actually think that there are any nuclear facilities in Iran that we don't know about or wouldn't find out about as soon as they started construction? Right now all the "secret" sites have been identified and would by inspected.

Sanctions are lifted in stages, based on compliance. If nothing is lifted there is no deal--and Iran continues on the path that Bush let them start.

I think Obama is about a dozen steps ahead of you. Actually watch and decide for yourself. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/06/world/middleeast/obama-strongly-defends-iran-nuclear-deal.html?_r=0

nw30 · Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:06 pm Post subject:

You are incredibly trusting in BHO, Iran and our ability to know exactly what is going on there, waaaaay more than me.
Sorry but history has given me no reason to posses that kind of trust........ actually with all parties involved, and that includes the U.N.

So you love it so far, I don't, so be it.
I do find it funny that they were celebrating this "framework" in the streets of Iran, but you didn't see people partying in the streets here over the same thing.

techno900 · Joined: 28 Mar 2001 Posts: 4166

I am glad Mac knows exactly what the "outline" entails. It seems that three or more involved countries have different versions/understandings of the deal.

When the deal is done, then debate. So far it's just a bunch of hot air.

mac · Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:31 pm Post subject:

I posted the outline. Have you bothered to read it?

isobars · Joined: 12 Dec 1999 Posts: 20935

nw30 · Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:35 pm Post subject:

Chucky agrees.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/04/chuck-schumer-bucks-white-house-on-iran-116713.html

mac · Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:03 pm Post subject:

NW--listen to the interview with Obama about how inspections work. 15 minutes in. Your question was asked and answered. Like I said, he is ten steps ahead of you. You're just paranoid.

What alternative would you suggest?