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adywind
Joined: 08 Jan 2012 Posts: 665
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Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:33 am Post subject: How windsurfing fins work |
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We have started this debate on another tread which was not appropriate, so I'm opening a new one specifically on this topic. I am not able to explain it scientificly, I just always considered the lifting effect of the fin as a result of creating different pressures in wich the object that creates them Is being pushed towards the lesser pressure which is windward and up in our case and since it lifts the tail of the board we the simple Earthlings call it lifting. Now I'll let the experts explain in this article and btw they also call it a lift:
http://www.windsport.com/gear_article?news_id=3 |
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dllee
Joined: 03 Jul 2009 Posts: 5329 Location: East Bay
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Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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Just try windsurfing without a fin, with a too small fin, and with a too big fin, and you'd know. |
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U2U2U2
Joined: 06 Jul 2001 Posts: 5467 Location: Shipsterns Bluff, Tasmania. Colorado
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Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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the Windsport article was written in 2008, fin systems have changed too include a QUAD now, which speed reading Derriks words I saw no reference to, his multi fin character descriptions leave much to the imagination.
Understanding how fins work, only presents a portion of what you need to glean to pick the set that is the best for you, dynamic picture on the water cause it changes.
I disagree with all he said on asymmetrical fins. And toe in was not even suggested .
He is one of the more knowledgeable and better sailors I have seen, ever. _________________ K4 fins
4Boards....May the fours be with you
http://www.k4fins.com/fins.html
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adywind
Joined: 08 Jan 2012 Posts: 665
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Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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U2, the debate was simply about the regular single fin: does it create a lift or not . The article clearly answers that question I believe. The title is confusing I'm sorry about that |
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dllee
Joined: 03 Jul 2009 Posts: 5329 Location: East Bay
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Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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I'm no scientist, but I know bigger means more lift, especially underpowered, and smaller means less lift, in almost all conditions.
Longer lifts the windward rail.
Shorter allows you to control the rails even overpowered.
But, what do you want to know, or is this an exercise in theory and science? |
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U2U2U2
Joined: 06 Jul 2001 Posts: 5467 Location: Shipsterns Bluff, Tasmania. Colorado
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Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 12:10 am Post subject: |
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well I guess I know not what the question is either.
Do fins have lift ? Unqualified yes.
Since the Windsport article has a few paragraphs, maybe you meant as reference just the first one" How a Fin Provides Lift" _________________ K4 fins
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jingebritsen
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isobars
Joined: 12 Dec 1999 Posts: 20935
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Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 10:09 am Post subject: |
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Yup. A flat plate at a positive angle of attack produces lift, but its drag renders it useless for our purposes. Foiling it, even symmetrically, lowers the drag and lets it work as intended. |
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U2U2U2
Joined: 06 Jul 2001 Posts: 5467 Location: Shipsterns Bluff, Tasmania. Colorado
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Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 10:41 am Post subject: |
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zirtaeb wrote: | I'm no scientist, but I know bigger means more lift, especially underpowered, and smaller means less lift, in almost all conditions.
Longer lifts the windward rail.
Shorter allows you to control the rails even overpowered.
But, what do you want to know, or is this an exercise in theory and science? |
This is a good answer , the discussion seems to be on single fins, which can be nothing but symmetrical and in line with the stringer/center line of the board. The amount of lift and drag is subject to the foil of the fin, area, shape, the width the length, and the hydrodynamic forces that act on the fin, when going straight and when turning, which change things dramatically.
Iam not a scientist either, nor engineer, physicist , but things come into play, including the fin flex, so material and all list prior. But Iam a finalcoholic _________________ K4 fins
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http://www.k4fins.com/fins.html
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flaherty
Joined: 01 May 1997 Posts: 437
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Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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We can have an "intervention" in Hatteras. Or just goto FA (finaholics anon) , they must have one in Colorado. Take it from me, you need help! |
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