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isobars



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you believe in our first and foremost constitutional amendment, watch the first 8 minutes of this:
https://real-truth-seekers.com/tucker-carlson-full-show-for-monday-apr-04-2022/
Why is it important to this forum? Because before the attack on free speech dominated the media, it dominated (and still dominates) the left's prime directive in this forum: "If you don't agree with me, STFU". One Navy captain (a ship's captain is -- because s/he has to be -- God) quit the forum years ago because two of us would not obey his direct order to stop our impersonal math- and physics-based debate about mast foot pressure. It's the left's (including the mainstream media's) solution to everything. Free speech is already swirling down the toilet in the U.S., and where it goes, this country's very reason for existence follows.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

isobars wrote:
If you believe in our first and foremost constitutional amendment, watch the first 8 minutes of this:
https://real-truth-seekers.com/tucker-carlson-full-show-for-monday-apr-04-2022/
Why is it important to this forum? Because before the attack on free speech dominated the media, it dominated (and still dominates) the left's prime directive in this forum: "If you don't agree with me, STFU". One Navy captain (a ship's captain is -- because s/he has to be -- God) quit the forum years ago because two of us would not obey his direct order to stop our impersonal math- and physics-based debate about mast foot pressure. It's the left's (including the mainstream media's) solution to everything. Free speech is already swirling down the toilet in the U.S., and where it goes, this country's very reason for existence follows.


Jeebus, yet another lesson on the Constitution for Iso-Ignorant.

First Amendment
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

The operative phrase is "Congress shall make no law..." Did Carslon cite a specific law passed by Congress that curtails free speech?

I thought not. Carry on talking about something that does not involve free speech while claiming it does.

BTW - Carlson admits that is show is not "news":

The "'general tenor' of the show should then inform a viewer that [Carlson] is not 'stating actual facts' about the topics he discusses and is instead engaging in 'exaggeration' and 'non-literal commentary.' " Fox persuasively argues, that given Mr. Carlson's reputation, any reasonable viewer 'arrive[s] with an appropriate amount of skepticism' about the statement he makes."


https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/917747123/you-literally-cant-believe-the-facts-tucker-carlson-tells-you-so-say-fox-s-lawye
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2022 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bet there was some justice here against this right wing conspiracy theory media...


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/georgia-election-workers-settle-with-one-america-news-in-defamation-lawsuit/ar-AAWvy44?ocid=winp2oct&cvid=078e32cfc6a8471d8b887232b96cd245


Georgia election workers settle with One America News in defamation lawsuit


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Moss and Freeman filed a lawsuit last December, saying they had become victims of dangerous threats and harassment because of the unfounded claims as the California-based news network repeatedly reported that the election workers had stored fake ballots in a suitcase to give Biden the victory.

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However, Georgia election officials quickly shot back, noting the suitcases did not contain falsified votes but rather stored ballot containers that are routinely used by election workers. A state investigation later found the women properly and accurately counted the ballots.

“As a result of their vital service, Ms. Freeman and Ms. Moss have become the objects of vitriol, threats, and harassment,” the lawsuit read. “They found themselves in this unenviable position not based on anything they did, but instead because of a campaign of malicious lies designed to accuse them of interfering with a fair and impartial election, which is precisely what each of them swore an oath to protect.”

The lawsuit sought for the media coverage to be removed from OAN’s website, as well as punitive damages. It’s unclear whether these demands were met in the settlement deal.

Giuliani issued a 21-page response to the lawsuit in March denying the allegations against him. Although he does not believe he is guilty of defamation, Giuliani’s attorney acknowledged to Law and Crime that he “cannot and will not take the position that his statements that carry accusations of election fraud do not carry defamatory meaning.”

CLICK HERE TO READ MORE FROM THE WASHINGTON EXAMINER

Even after Georgia officials debunked the claims of voter fraud, OAN and Giuliani continued to push conspiracy theories, the lawsuit argued. Freeman then said she became a target of dangerous threats, revealing she had to close down her businesses and was told by the FBI not to return home for months.

Biden narrowly won in Georgia during the 2020 election, prompting claims among staunch Trump supporters that the loss was attributable to widespread election fraud despite officials' assurances the election was secure.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

here is another lie that is now debunked in a court with it appears a settlement payment.

again this was amplified all over the media with this conspiricy lie.

Now will the right wing media correct itself... will this be all over the right wing media front pages?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/georgia-election-workers-settle-with-one-america-news-in-defamation-lawsuit/ar-AAWvy44?ocid=winp2oct&cvid=078e32cfc6a8471d8b887232b96cd245


Georgia election workers settle with One America News in defamation lawsuit


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Terms of the settlement were not made public in the report filed on Thursday in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia, but the deal removes OAN from the case, leaving only former Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani as a defendant. Wandrea Moss and her mother Ruby Freeman had sued Giuliani and the network for promoting claims the pair had produced fake ballots to rig the election in favor of President Joe Biden.

Moss and Freeman filed a lawsuit last December, saying they had become victims of dangerous threats and harassment because of the unfounded claims as the California-based news network repeatedly reported that the election workers had stored fake ballots in a suitcase to give Biden the victory.

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However, Georgia election officials quickly shot back, noting the suitcases did not contain falsified votes but rather stored ballot containers that are routinely used by election workers. A state investigation later found the women properly and accurately counted the ballots.

“As a result of their vital service, Ms. Freeman and Ms. Moss have become the objects of vitriol, threats, and harassment,” the lawsuit read. “They found themselves in this unenviable position not based on anything they did, but instead because of a campaign of malicious lies designed to accuse them of interfering with a fair and impartial election, which is precisely what each of them swore an oath to protect.”

The lawsuit sought for the media coverage to be removed from OAN’s website, as well as punitive damages. It’s unclear whether these demands were met in the settlement deal.

Giuliani issued a 21-page response to the lawsuit in March denying the allegations against him. Although he does not believe he is guilty of defamation, Giuliani’s attorney acknowledged to Law and Crime that he “cannot and will not take the position that his statements that carry accusations of election fraud do not carry defamatory meaning.”

CLICK HERE TO READ MORE FROM THE WASHINGTON EXAMINER

Even after Georgia officials debunked the claims of voter fraud, OAN and Giuliani continued to push conspiracy theories, the lawsuit argued. Freeman then said she became a target of dangerous threats, revealing she had to close down her businesses and was told by the FBI not to return home for months.

Biden narrowly won in Georgia during the 2020 election, prompting claims among staunch Trump supporters that the loss was attributable to widespread election fraud despite officials' assurances the election was secure.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why is the left so DAMNED pissed, with legions of Twitter employees crying in public and/or quitting, now that it may become a free speech bastion? Oooh, the horror: The foremost concept in our constitution, so fundamental that it became our very first amendment, may actually begin functioning again.

It was FINE when Bezos bought the WaPo and used it as his political sword, but when an apolitical guy -- who makes EVs no less -- buys a platform solely to restore free speech, it's a cardinal sin.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

isobars wrote:
Why is the left so DAMNED pissed, with legions of Twitter employees crying in public and/or quitting, now that it may become a free speech bastion? Oooh, the horror: The foremost concept in our constitution, so fundamental that it became our very first amendment, may actually begin functioning again.

It was FINE when Bezos bought the WaPo and used it as his political sword, but when an apolitical guy -- who makes EVs no less -- buys a platform solely to restore free speech, it's a cardinal sin.


I'm on the left and I DGAS about twitter. Never used it never will. The "left" is not some homogeneous group that you would like to think. Grow the fuck up!

Get it thru your thick skull...the 1st Amendment does not apply to private companies you dumb fuck!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2022 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to wonder whether Elon Musk is foolish enough to let Donald Trump out of his cage to run rampant on Twitter.

Speaking for myself, I've never invested in Twitter either, and it is highly unlikely that I'll change my mind.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2022 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

here is a good perspective... also note I believe i recetly read Musks brother says he is a narcisist.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/26/briefing/elon-musk-twitter-sale.html

A Billionaires’ World
The world’s richest person didn’t like Twitter. So he’s buying it.


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Two years ago, the economists Emmanuel Saez and Gabriel Zucman published a statistic that you don’t normally see. It was the share of wealth owned by the richest 0.00001 percent of Americans.

That tiny slice represented only 18 households, Saez and Zucman estimated. Each one had an average net worth of about $66 billion in 2020. Together, the share of national wealth owned by the group had risen by a factor of nearly 10 since 1982.

Share of wealth in the U.S. owned by the top 0.00001% of households

1.5% of total household wealth

2020


Source: Emmanuel Saez and Gabriel ZucmanBy The New York Times
This wealth conveys vast power on a small group of people. They can attempt to shape politics, as the Koch family has done. They can create a global charity, as Bill Gates and Melinda French Gates have done. They can buy a national media organization, as Jeff Bezos has done.


Or they can buy a social media network when its policies annoy them, as Elon Musk is in the process of doing.

Twitter announced yesterday that its board had accepted a $44 billion bid for the company from Musk, the chief executive of Tesla and SpaceX and currently the world’s richest man. He is using $21 billion of his own cash in the deal.

Musk, who calls himself a “free speech absolutist,” has suggested that he will be less aggressive than Twitter’s current management about blocking some content — including misinformation, in all likelihood. He plans to take the company private, which will give him tighter control than he would have over a public company.

The deal is the latest example of how extreme inequality is shaping American society. A small number of very wealthy people end up making decisions that affect millions of others. That has always been true, of course. But it is truer when inequality is so high. In the U.S. economy, wealth inequality has exceeded even the peaks of the 1920s, as another chart from Saez and Zucman’s research shows:


Source: Emmanuel Saez and Gabriel ZucmanBy The New York Times
The Musk deal also recalls the Gilded Age, as my colleague Shira Ovide wrote: “The closest comparison to this might be the 19th-century newspaper barons like William Randolph Hearst, Joseph Pulitzer and the fictional Charles Foster Kane, who used their papers to pursue their personal agendas, sensationalize world events and harass their enemies.”

After news broke yesterday about the Musk-Twitter agreement, I asked Andrew Ross Sorkin for his reaction to it. Andrew, as many readers know, has been covering finance and business leaders for the past two decades at The Times. He created and runs our DealBook newsletter.

Andrew’s response got me thinking about these larger questions of inequality, and I’m turning over the rest of today’s lead item to him. Below his thoughts about the Twitter deal, we include more Times coverage, as well as analysis from elsewhere.

Friends and foes
Andrew Ross Sorkin
By Andrew Ross Sorkin
Musk’s acquisition of Twitter will reignite big questions about the influence of the billionaire class and the power of technology over our national discourse.

This month, Musk was complaining that Mark Zuckerberg, Meta’s founder, had too much power, arguing that the way Meta was structured, “Mark Zuckerberg the 14th” would someday be running it.

Now Musk will own Twitter outright as a private company. He will report to himself. So if he decides to allow Donald Trump back on the platform — which seems like the elephant in the room — it will be Musk’s choice and his choice alone. (Trump has claimed he will not return, because he wants to support his own social media platform.)

Washington is atwitter trying to understand Musk’s ideology. He is a self-styled libertarian without an ideology. But is not having an ideology an ideology unto itself?

Musk has said he wants more “free speech” and less moderation on Twitter. What will that mean in practice? More bullying? More lewd commentary and images? More misinformation?

Perhaps a window into Musk’s approach is a tweet he sent on Friday making fun of Bill Gates with a crude reference to anatomy, as a way to get even with Gates, who had admitted to betting against shares of Tesla.

Which raised this question: When conspiracy theorists falsely posted that Gates was paying to develop Covid vaccines to implant chips in people, Twitter down-ranked the content and added fact-check notices. If Musk were running Twitter then, would he have left those posts up to needle his nemesis?

The deal will give Musk enormous influence over politicians, celebrities and the media, with the ability to platform and de-platform them at will.

But some will have sway over him, too, in ways that could distort what the public sees on Twitter. For example, Twitter has no presence in China. Musk does: A huge chunk of Tesla’s growth is dependent on that country. What happens when Chinese officials tell him to remove content from Twitter that they find objectionable?

Back here in the U.S., Musk’s SpaceX business relies, in large part, on contracts with the Defense Department. His Tesla business is in discussions with the U.S. government about a national charging station infrastructure. His Boring Company, which digs tunnels, relies on governments for contracts. If a politician that controls the purse strings for any of Musk’s companies were to publish misinformation, would Musk remove it?

There are no answers to these questions just yet. But we will find out soon. Likely on Twitter.


here is a disturbing read about his father... Marries and has a child with his 40 year younger step child.
https://people.com/human-interest/elon-musk-errol-musk-relationship/

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what a great way to point it out, Lawrence makes at the get go. He notes the headlines by the media would be democrats in disarray. repeated over and over when just one minor disagreement occurs in the DNC camp. But here we go with these new tapes showing how the right wingers hate right wingers... but notice crickets in the right wing owned media about disarray...

https://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/lawrence-new-tapes-reveal-what-mccarthy-really-thinks-of-fellow-republicans-138702405578?cid=eml_mra_20220427&user_email=e73377d3e40790eecbf6a99203e1476ea2a23c644c2045abd739b8f9e629a73b


Lawrence: New tapes reveal what McCarthy really thinks of fellow Republicans


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In new recordings obtained by The New York Times, House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy can be heard warning fellow House Republican leadership about the potential for violence from the more extreme members of the GOP conference. MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell shares his thoughts on this latest example of chaos in the Republican party.

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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2022 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

why isn't this front pages of the media?

https://news.yahoo.com/reputed-federal-informant-whistleblower-found-030844664.html


Reputed federal informant, whistleblower found dead in L.A. after he's reported missing


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A reputed federal informant and whistleblower who went missing after he was reported to have turned over a trove of secret files about Deutsche Bank was found dead at a Los Angeles school this week, a police official said Wednesday.

The body of Valentin Broeksmit, 46, was found Monday at Woodrow Wilson High School shortly before 7 a.m., Sgt. Rudy Perez of the Los Angeles School Police Department said in an email.

Records of the Los Angeles County Medical Examiner-Coroner do not list a cause of death. The office deferred a preliminary finding to allow for additional examination and toxicology testing, according to records released Thursday.

A final medical examiner’s report is not expected until summer.

Los Angeles Police Capt. Kenneth Cabrera told the Los Angeles Times that authorities do not suspect foul play.

Woodrow Wilson High School in Los Angeles. (Google Maps)
Woodrow Wilson High School in Los Angeles. (Google Maps)
Broeksmit was last seen driving a red Mini Cooper on the afternoon of April 6, 2021, on Riverside Drive and was later reported missing by relatives, Los Angeles police said.

His vehicle was found, the department said, but Broeksmit remained missing.

Perez said Wednesday that he appeared to be homeless.

According to a 2019 profile in The New York Times, Broeksmit was a musician and the son of a Deutsche Bank executive who died by suicide in 2014.

After his father's death, Broeksmit gained access to his father's email account and found hundreds of files related to the bank, including board meeting minutes, financial plans, spreadsheets and password-protected presentations, the newspaper reported.

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Federal and state authorities were scrutinizing allegations of criminal misconduct and the bank's long relationship with former President Donald Trump, the newspaper reported.

According to The Times, Broeksmit supplied the documents to journalists and others, including Fusion GPS, the research firm linked to an unverified dossier about Trump, and investigators with the FBI's New York office.

After a meeting with FBI agents in Los Angeles, the agency permitted Broeksmit to publicly identify himself as a cooperating witness in a federal criminal investigation, the paper reported.

Neither Fusion GPS nor the FBI immediately responded to requests for comment.

David Enrich, the Times reporter who wrote the profile, said Tuesday on Twitter that Broeksmit was a central character in his 2020 book, "Dark Towers: Deutsche Bank, Donald Trump, and an Epic Trail of Destruction," and that news of his death was "terrible."

"We had a complicated relationship, but this is just devastating to hear," he said.

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