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jordanwd



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hey, i got to agree..now getting back into wave sailing after a 5-6 year hiatus, i've been fortunate to have hit a good wind/wave year here on the west coast where my bread and butter board is a 75L wave board on 5.2 or less (probably over 80 + days on it since this last march).. but there have been many days were I've been out on a 130L board and more recently a big kona 11.5 havin fun in the surf..ususally w/ a 6.2 sail but got a 7.5 onshore wave sail the other day... hell , i was out 2 days ago "gliding" (not scloggin) in probably 4-9 knotts ( ie No white caps) of wind w/ it.. and catchin waves! yeah at 200 #'s & in descent shape you can make it work and have a blast!!!... what cracks me up..( and kinda pisses me off at the same time) ..is some of the hardcore sailors who believe unless you're on a 5.3/ 5.8 or smaller on a small board it ain't worth goin out... what a load of shit...!...if they only knew what they were missing (ie..clean surf..slowwer turns but still alot of fun and sure is better than sittin on the beach spankin it...) .. the 5.3 mentality is so over rated and so mid 1990's.. it's what screwed up this sport....I say, as with anything else..use the tool which works for the job /conditions at hand.... just my humble opinion...
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bred2shred



Joined: 02 May 2000
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Location: Jersey Shore

PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I could come up with plenty of things that Jersey has better than the gorge.
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Believe me, I don't have any intention or desire to turn this thread into a Jersey vs. the Gorge contest. But to imply, as Blogo1 did, that you can't have a great time windsurfing at the Jersey Shore is a load of rubbish. No, we typically don't get the number of 25+ days in the summer like the gorge, but there are still an abundance of powered up short board days available. And we get lots of high wind in spring and fall. Plus there's a complete range of locations to suit all abilities if you're willing to go after them.


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the willingness to have shlog racing is important.


As long as the racers know what they're in for, no problem. If the folks at your event had a good time, then all is good.

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mrgybe



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm with you jordanwd........if you love being on the water you can have a good time in light winds with the right gear. Same goes for racing in lighter winds.....relax and have a laugh......the stronger stuff will turn up eventually. Beats taking the wife shopping!
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isobars



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jordanwd wrote:
what cracks me up..( and kinda pisses me off at the same time) ..is some of the hardcore sailors who believe unless you're on a 5.3/ 5.8 or smaller on a small board it ain't worth goin out... what a load of shit...!...if they only knew what they were missing (ie..clean surf


Realize that for most of us the water is flat when our 5.x won't work. t's not an issue of sail size; it's an issue of terrain. No wind = no terrain, which takes the "surf" out of windsurfing. Most of us are terrain snobs, not wind snobs.

Mike \m/
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RRose82341



Joined: 29 Sep 1999
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Location: CapeCod

PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 1:02 pm    Post subject: Changes Reply with quote

The biggest change for me has been the weather forecasts. Do to the much improved forecasts from NOAA and iWindsurf, rarely do I ever get to the beach and it not be windy. Of course that means a lot less hanging out at the beach socializing.
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pierrec45



Joined: 12 Oct 2007
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 12:31 am    Post subject: nostalgia is not what it used to be... Reply with quote

It's not only racing that people won't do anymore, but also trying stuff, freestyle, bring friends, socialise. New generation I suppose - "I want it easy and now".

Take freestyle: in them's days, people would never sit by and claim to be too good for the wind. People would get out and get into farting around and improving in all winds. Not anymore, it's about comparing equipment on the beach and talking about the trip to Hatteras.

I stick with the top guys, the newbies, friends that come out. I teach, I go out in ALL winds, try stuff all the time (most of which never works). I choose to still have a great time pretty much always.
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PeconicPuffin



Joined: 07 Jun 2004
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

isobars wrote:


Realize that for most of us the water is flat when our 5.x won't work. t's not an issue of sail size; it's an issue of terrain. No wind = no terrain, which takes the "surf" out of windsurfing. Most of us are terrain snobs, not wind snobs.

Mike \m/


You should try the ocean, Mike, given your taste for swell. A 6.2 in head-high conditions is plenty of fun. I've been out in moderate waves on a 7.0.

Of course freestylers prize exceptionally flat water, which is not so easy to find either. On Long Island we're lucky to have both.

I think the key is to not be a snob, period.

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sailingjoe



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

anacreon wrote:
I remember the sense of community in the late 80's/early 90''s racing scene in New England. The triangle racing did get repetitive, but I remember fondly the more casual races like the Monomoy Crossing, Naragansett Bay Crossing and Buzzard's Bay Crossing. And also great fun were the occasional impromptu figure eight slalom races. I think perhaps liability insurance issues helped kill the big crossing races. But I see no reason why a little fun slalom couldn't be revived around here. The trick is getting the right wind for the event...that's a toughie.
I remember sitting on the beach when there wasn't spit for wind during some of those events.
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bviehman



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For higher wind events like slalom, there is always the option of giving a time window and nailing down the time when the forecast is good. It encourages people to show for the events when they know that there is going to be wind.

Britt
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bred2shred



Joined: 02 May 2000
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Location: Jersey Shore

PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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For higher wind events like slalom, there is always the option of giving a time window and nailing down the time when the forecast is good. It encourages people to show for the events when they know that there is going to be wind.


That's fine for informal, local events. But if you're trying to run a more formal event that involves more than two or three organizers and where you may have to reserve chase boats and food and launch sites and get permits and you're trying to encourage folks to travel from long distances who may need take vaction time and book a hotel room etc, etc, it would be logistically impossible.

However, I do like the Hatteras Wave Fest idea. Pick a time of year when you know conditions are likely to be good and when you know there'll be a lot of windsurfers in town. Keep it relatively informal. But there aren't many places in the US where that would work.

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