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isobars
Joined: 12 Dec 1999 Posts: 20946
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:38 am Post subject: |
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stevenbard wrote: | SWC, I don't think conservatives want the ACA to fail. |
Many of us, including myself, want it to fall flat on its face. It is far too harmful to the nation even its present, weak, state. If it manages to survive, it will quickly lead to the permanent achievement of its stated (by every leading Democrat including the President) objective: socialized medicine. That, in turn, will ruin what should and could be a great health care system.
Only if it succeeds beyond any rational person's wildest dream, including providing freedom of choice, millions more insured, lower costs INCLUDING the hidden taxes planned to fund it, and better care do I want it to succeed. No one, not even the Democrats, expect that (thus the hidden taxes, including but not limited to the half-trillion Sebelius finally admitted will be stolen -- double booked -- from Medicare.) |
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pueno
Joined: 03 Mar 2007 Posts: 2807
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:56 am Post subject: |
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Mr. Fick-shun wrote: | If it manages to survive, it will quickly lead to the permanent achievement of its stated (by every leading Democrat including the President) objective: socialized medicine. |
True socialized medicine, Mikey? Like in Britain, France, Scandinavia? No health insurance companies siphoning off billions and billions and billions of dollars to privately benefit their executives and shareholders?
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mac
Joined: 07 Mar 1999 Posts: 17780 Location: Berkeley, California
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:29 am Post subject: |
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The Scarecrow claimed:
Quote: | You just go ahead and continuing on banking on "hope", be my guest. |
for you, there is no hope. No wizard to provide you with a brain. No hope of a thoughtful post or a credible source. None. |
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nw30
Joined: 21 Dec 2008 Posts: 6485 Location: The eye of the universe, Cen. Cal. coast
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keycocker
Joined: 10 Jul 2005 Posts: 3598
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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That critic sounds correct to me NW.
I have read the same in the NWT. It is the educated Dems view on the ACA whether they are a conservative or liberal Dem.
For a long time I had a speech by Obama on my computer about flaws in the ACA back when it passed and the need to join together to deal with them.
The GOP chose another pathway.
When predicting a train wreck it is always best to go ahead and take out sections of the track ahead of the train. |
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swchandler
Joined: 08 Nov 1993 Posts: 10588
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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I wonder what Rep. Stephen Lynch has to say about his home state's health insurance requirements, which arguably mirror the requirements of the ACA in concept? |
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nw30
Joined: 21 Dec 2008 Posts: 6485 Location: The eye of the universe, Cen. Cal. coast
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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swchandler wrote: | I wonder what Rep. Stephen Lynch has to say about his home state's health insurance requirements, which arguably mirror the requirements of the ACA in concept? |
I find it ironic that he is from the same state that is touted as the model for Obamacare. |
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MalibuGuru
Joined: 11 Nov 1993 Posts: 9307
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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Isobars, you should be ashamed. I don't want it to fail. I know it will fail, but why should any conservative do anything but hope for the best. The D's 100% implemented this disaster. I'm sure they could get enough progressive R's to join in on meaningful reform. Has anyone here heard our great leader Obama propose any changes? Crickets chirping? Nothing?
“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
― H.L. Mencken |
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uwindsurf
Joined: 18 Aug 2012 Posts: 968 Location: Classified
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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stevenbard wrote: | “As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
― H.L. Mencken |
Exhibit No. 1: George W. Bush. |
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MalibuGuru
Joined: 11 Nov 1993 Posts: 9307
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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youwindsurf wrote: | stevenbard wrote: | “As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
― H.L. Mencken |
Exhibit No. 1: George W. Bush. |
Yes, I agree. Exhibit #2 Obama |
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