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isobars



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2022 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why would any defendant want to testify about anything when everyone associated with him will highly likely be audited, pilloried, raided, arrested, perp-walked in chains, convicted, imprisoned, and/or eviscerated, often with trumped-up "evidence" and the full support of "journalists" and FBI agents who hate him? Taking the 5th in such cases demonstrates loyalty, and many court adjudications have ruled that in no way does it imply guilt.

It's too bad that Trump Derangement Syndrome isn't a crime, especially considering that Biden has repeatedly declared that people who voted for Trump are the greatest terrorist threat the nation has ever faced and that they are semi-fascists ... whatever that is.

Let's go, Brandon.

No, that's not good enough:

FUCK YOU, JOE BIDEN, the most deliberately, overtly, downright VICIOUSLY divisive POTUS the nation has ever seen.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2022 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow! You must be pissed-off big time.

All that passion you have simply blown-off, by all folks, President Joe Biden.

Damn...
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2022 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

isobars wrote:
Taking the 5th in such cases demonstrates loyalty, and many court adjudications have ruled that in no way does it imply guilt.


Wow, that is a first. Iso disagreeing with Trump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpfDwx7tiLY

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2022 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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so since a lawyer pleaded the 5th, does that now mean his conversations with trump are not protected by attorney client privilege because he has now admitted/believes a crime has been committedd that he was part of.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/sep/1/attorney-john-eastman-appears-before-atlanta-grand/


Attorney John Eastman appears before Atlanta grand jury, pleads the Fifth on some matters


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Lawyer John Eastman, a key player in former President Donald Trump’s effort to discredit the official 2020 election results, appeared Wednesday before the Atlanta grand jury investigating actions in Georgia, but it is unclear if he divulged much to the panel.

“We advised our client John Eastman to assert attorney-client privilege and the constitutional right to remain silent where appropriate. Out of respect for grand jury secrecy, we will not disclose the substance of the questions or testimony,” his attorneys, Charles Burnham and Harvey Silverglate, said in a written statement.

Mr. Eastman has been named as a critical figure in a plan to prevent a number of swing states from certifying the 2020 results. The effort involved pressuring Vice President Mike Pence to avoid declaring President Biden the winner of the Electoral College during the certification process on Capitol Hill.


shouldn't pleading the 5th by a lawyer mean immediate disbarment? Specially when it is not jaywalking we are talking about. again you legally can only plead the 5th if you believe legally a law has been broken. And a lawyer should certainly know if he broke a law.

If you can't do the time don't do the crime...

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2022 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

isobars wrote:
Why would any defendant want to testify about anything when everyone associated with him will highly likely be audited, pilloried, raided, arrested, perp-walked in chains, convicted, imprisoned, and/or eviscerated, often with trumped-up "evidence" and the full support of "journalists" and FBI agents who hate him? Taking the 5th in such cases demonstrates loyalty, and many court adjudications have ruled that in no way does it imply guilt.

It's too bad that Trump Derangement Syndrome isn't a crime, especially considering that Biden has repeatedly declared that people who voted for Trump are the greatest terrorist threat the nation has ever faced and that they are semi-fascists ... whatever that is.

Let's go, Brandon.

No, that's not good enough:

FUCK YOU, JOE BIDEN, the most deliberately, overtly, downright VICIOUSLY divisive POTUS the nation has ever seen.


Ya my posts get under his thin skin so badly that he McVeigh's now on a regular basis.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2022 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

another nazi traitor can not tell the truth.... the whole truth because if he does as a lawyer he believe he will go to jail...

again he should be disbarred for this immediately...

ya right a environmental lawyer to run the justice department.

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/legal-troubles-jeffrey-clark-eyed-ag-trump-come-focus-rcna48121




Legal troubles for Jeffrey Clark, eyed for AG by Trump, come into focus


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For those who may need a refresher, let’s circle back to our earlier coverage. In late 2020, Clark was the acting head of the Justice Department’s civil division. Donald Trump, however, had a different role in mind for him: The outgoing president considered a plan in which he’d fire the acting attorney general, Jeffrey Rosen, and replace him with Clark as part of a scheme to ramp up the Justice Department’s anti-election efforts.

Trump was prepared to do this because Clark, unlike Rosen, was telling the then-president what he wanted to hear about keeping him in power, despite his defeat. Indeed, Clark sketched out a map for Republican legislators to follow as part of the partisan plot, even as he quietly pressed Trump to put him in charge of the Justice Department.

Trump ultimately backed away from the plan to make Clark the acting A.G., not because the plan was stark raving mad — though it certainly was — but because the Justice Department’s senior leadership team threatened to resign en masse if Rosen was ousted. Trump decided such tumult would “eclipse any attention on his baseless accusations of voter fraud.”

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This wasn’t just some random thought experiment. The New York Times reported last year that there was a “bizarre” presidential meeting in January 2021 in which Rosen and Clark made competing presentations, which “officials compared with an episode of Mr. Trump’s reality show ‘The Apprentice,’ albeit one that could prompt a constitutional crisis.”

Not surprisingly, the bipartisan House committee investigating Jan. 6 came up with a few questions for Clark. Their first interaction didn’t go especially well: Investigators sat down with the Republican lawyer in November, but according to the panel, he was not cooperative. In fact, Clark reportedly asserted attorney-client privilege, despite the fact that Trump was never Clark’s client.

That was last fall. A few months later, investigators tried again, and by some accounts, Clark pleaded the Fifth — more than 100 times.

Now, according to the lawyer’s own account, he’s facing a federal criminal investigation into alleged false statements, obstruction of justice, and criminal conspiracy.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/another-member-trumps-inner-circle-reportedly-takes-fifth-rcna54062


Another member of Trump’s inner circle reportedly takes the Fifth


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Kash Patel first came to national attention during Donald Trump’s first impeachment scandal. Fiona Hill, the former top Russia expert at the White House National Security Council, told Congress that she discovered that Donald Trump was ignoring the NSC’s Ukraine expert, choosing instead to listen to Patel — which struck Hill as quite odd.

In fact, Patel had no expertise on Ukraine, though he was an aide to then-Republican Rep. Devin Nunes and the alleged co-author of the hopelessly misguided “Nunes Memo” on the Russia scandal. With this in mind, Hill found it necessary to warn her staff to be “very careful” about communications with the Republican operative, and she removed Patel from internal distribution lists.

A year later, as regular readers might recall, Trump gave him a promotion, and Patel landed a plum assignment at the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. Nine months later, the outgoing Republican president gave Patel another promotion, naming him to a prominent position at the Pentagon.

By some accounts, Trump, after his 2020 defeat, even wanted to make Patel the deputy director of the CIA, though other insiders pushed back aggressively and derailed the idea. Former Attorney General William Barr wrote in his memoir that Trump also considered making Patel the deputy director of the FBI, though Barr said he told the White House that would happen “over my dead body.”

In the wake of the 2020 results, the operative stuck with Trump. In fact, the former president designated Patel as of one of his representatives to the National Archives and Records Administration to deal with his presidential records — which in turn made Patel a relevant figure in the Mar-a-Lago scandal. What’s more, when Patel helped promote the highly dubious idea that Trump had declassified the relevant materials, his perspective became even more important.

It was against this backdrop that The New York Times reported this week:

Shortly after the F.B.I. executed a search warrant at Mar-a-Lago in August to reclaim the classified documents, Mr. Patel publicly proclaimed that the former president had declassified the records before leaving office. But Mr. Patel refused to answer many questions this month before a grand jury in Washington hearing evidence about Mr. Trump’s handling of the documents, citing his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination, according to a person briefed on the matter.

Part of what makes this notable is the fact that Patel appeared before a grand jury, reinforcing reports that the Justice Department is taking the Mar-a-Lago scandal quite seriously.

But just as notable is the apparent fact that Patel took the Fifth rather than answer investigators’ questions.

He has plenty of company. Let’s circle back to our earlier coverage and review the list of high-profile figures from Trump’s orbit who’ve invoked the Fifth recently:


Donald Trump took the Fifth in August, as part of a New York investigation into his allegedly fraudulent business practices.
Eric Trump, in this same civil case, reportedly invoked the Fifth Amendment in response to more than 500 questions.
Roger Stone, a longtime Trump adviser and GOP operative, said two weeks later that he also took the Fifth.
Alex Jones, by his own admission, invoked the Fifth nearly 100 times when the professional conspiracy theorist sat down with congressional investigators.
Jeffrey Clark, a former Justice Department official, also took the Fifth, reportedly more than 100 times.
Michael Flynn, the beneficiary of a Trump pardon despite having previously pleaded guilty to felonies, took the Fifth in response to investigators’ questions in March.
John Eastman, a Republican lawyer who allegedly played a leading role in the overall coup scheme, reportedly invoked the Fifth with both the Jan. 6 committee and a Georgia special grand jury.
Kelli Ward, the Arizona Republican Party chair, also asserted her Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination to avoid answering the Jan. 6 committee’s questions.
“The mob takes the Fifth Amendment,” Donald Trump said in 2016, deriding those who assert their right against self-incrimination. “If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”

The relevance of the quote still lingers.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2022 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/fifth-amendment-invoked-to-the-point-of-unintentional-hilarity-by-jan-6-witnesses-158403141927

Fifth Amendment invoked to the point of 'unintentional hilarity' by Jan. 6 witnesses


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Rachel Maddow points out that in a batch of 34 transcripts of interviews released by the January 6th Committee, interviewees invoked their Fifth Amendment rights so frequently that they refused to answer even the most basic, benign questions.

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