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ss59
Joined: 10 Nov 2016 Posts: 104
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Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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Some unusual advice here. Reading between the lines of the OP's post I would assume they are a beginner-early intermediate. Boards like a JP SLW is a specialist tool aimed at experienced sailors with outboard footstraps and a very fragile construction - not a good board for anyone who catapults. Bagging sails out and reducing downhaul is just bad (outdated) advice, that will actually do the opposite of what is suggested. At this level, a carbon boom is a luxury but will make no difference. If the OP is likely to drop the sail, and I assume they would, anything above around a 9.5 is just too big and makes learning anything harder.
It is far, far more effective to learn the skills than it is to try and buy a solution.
My advice, stick with the 8.5 (properly downhauled and outhauled) and look for a 'planer trainer' board of around 160 litres. Learn how to sail fast when off the plane, then pick days that are 15mph+ to get planing. |
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swchandler
Joined: 08 Nov 1993 Posts: 10588
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Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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An aluminum boom for a heavier guy using larger sails is a joke. Speaking for myself, I would not waste my time with an aluminum boom of any size. A carbon boom is a far superior product that will serve you well for years, and no worries with salt water corrosion and noddly performance. In my view, it's an investment and money well spent. |
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dhmark
Joined: 04 Sep 2007 Posts: 376
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Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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520 mast, 10+meter sail, carbon boom, very costly setup for maybe 2 knots gain. More than what a foil cost. Get the foil, learn the new thing. |
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grantmac017
Joined: 04 Aug 2016 Posts: 946
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Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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I'm 200+ and the carbon boom advice is good, aluminum is a noodle at that length. You can probably get a used formula boom for fairly cheap. Possibly an older formula board too.
Definitely don't need or want a sail bigger than 9.5 and the advice to look at a foil is very good. |
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Drake_el_sailor
Joined: 15 Jun 2021 Posts: 6
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:48 am Post subject: |
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Couldn’t believe all the inputs, seriously thanks to all. Only foil I ever been on was a air chair and first few rides were like a bucking bronco. Can’t imagine on a foil board, but always willing to try. Think for now I will do as one said and use my 8.5 and improve technique and hope for a windy day. A pro mentioned a good freeride board around 140 -160 L. Never gave recommendations. Thanks again for all the advice, feel free to add anything related |
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akrausz
Joined: 19 Sep 2008 Posts: 158 Location: FL
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:20 am Post subject: |
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ss59 wrote: | Bagging sails out and reducing downhaul is just bad (outdated) advice, that will actually do the opposite of what is suggested. |
I don't think so, but I suppose it's possible that David Ezzy's recommended setting for light wind is inferior to yours. |
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akrausz
Joined: 19 Sep 2008 Posts: 158 Location: FL
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:35 am Post subject: |
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Drake_el_sailor wrote: | A pro mentioned a good freeride board around 140 -160 L. Never gave recommendations. |
As far as new, the Starboard Carve comes to mind, but it's quite short, so it depends on your skills. I wouldn't want Powerbox in that size, because the big fins for light wind are going to be Tuttle or Deep Tuttle.
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ss59
Joined: 10 Nov 2016 Posts: 104
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:55 am Post subject: |
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akrausz wrote: | ss59 wrote: | Bagging sails out and reducing downhaul is just bad (outdated) advice, that will actually do the opposite of what is suggested. |
I don't think so, but I suppose it's possible that David Ezzy's recommended setting for light wind is inferior to yours. |
Well if David Ezzy recommends 'bagging out' a sail his recommendation is inferior to mine, and every other competent windsurfer. That said, I am fairly sure David Ezzy recommends a difference of something like 40mm between maximum and minimum downhaul settings (to manage the amount of leech twist) - that is a long, long way from "bagging out" a sail. Bagging a sail with a lack of downhaul, causing the battens to rotate too far around the mast and create a knuckle and/or lack of outhaul causing a sail to drape over a boom. A bagged-out sail doesn't twist and breathe, lacks control and lift, drives the board into the water. Advice like "bagging out a sail" to increase low-end performance may have been correct in the mid '90s, but for current sails it is just plain wrong. |
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akrausz
Joined: 19 Sep 2008 Posts: 158 Location: FL
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:17 am Post subject: |
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ss59 wrote: | Well if David Ezzy recommends 'bagging out' a sail his recommendation is inferior to mine, and every other competent windsurfer. That said, I am fairly sure David Ezzy recommends a difference of something like 40mm between maximum and minimum downhaul settings (to manage the amount of leech twist) - that is a long, long way from "bagging out" a sail. Bagging a sail with a lack of downhaul, causing the battens to rotate too far around the mast and create a knuckle and/or lack of outhaul causing a sail to drape over a boom. A bagged-out sail doesn't twist and breathe, lacks control and lift, drives the board into the water. Advice like "bagging out a sail" to increase low-end performance may have been correct in the mid '90s, but for current sails it is just plain wrong. |
I won't use those two words any more. The advice was to use an adjustable outhaul and the manufacturer's recommendation (not beyond) for light wind sailing and maximum power. A 230-pound man trying to plane in Florida has to do things differently than a 175-pounder. I've been a heavyweight sailing in Florida with Ezzy sails for decades, and I set the sail for light wind more often than not. I feel Ezzy's require plenty of pulling on strings to get optimal performance over the whole range. Rigged full works for me when the wind is consistent. I choose an 8.5 rigged full over a 9.5 with full downhaul, but that's just a personal preference.
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coachg
Joined: 10 Sep 2000 Posts: 3549
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:58 am Post subject: |
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ss59,
"Bagging out" a sail to me is also letting out the outhaul, not the downhaul.
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