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GURGLETROUSERS



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't understand your logic Iso. You admit to being double vaxxed when any number of medical 'experts' ( so called, but mostly just deranged) warned against it, yet now you seem to think you may be risking life, limbs, health, mobility, and longevity, on the word of the same medical 'experts' by having an extra jab.

The reality is that many countries are now introducing the extra third jab, and uptake is rapidly growing. Results from Israel ( the first to do so to counter the growing number of Delta virus cases) are clear, and amazing. Almost 100% protection against Delta virus in many people. That is not opinion, but what I take as verifiable fact.

I can't understand how you can question that!
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isobars



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My life/limb/longevity concerns are much broader than a Covid booster, spanning decades of dealing with scores of medical providers, mostly physicians, on dozens of medical issues. I'd have been permanently confined to a wheelchair near the toilet in 2013 and literally dead in 2018, by their own admission, if I accepted doctors', the Mayo Clinic's, or the U.S. Government's edicts blindly. Instead, I'm still enjoying gale force winds.

Don't even get me started on cholesterol, statins, unnecessary surgeries, last-chance antibiotics for a simple hand lotion sensitivity, error-induce anaphylaxis, the U.S. and world nutrition pyramid, a lifetime of vision and balance deficits due to doctors' failures, endless bad exercise physiology and nutrition advice, and MUCH more.

I haven't looked into or questioned the booster enough to be aware of Israel's booster data or to decide whether the hundreds of virologist and other front line treatment physician putting their careers on the line by speaking out against masks/vaccinations/boosters are deranged. It's just not that high on my priority list yet, given other, multiple, much more immediate health threats; the media's bias, stupidity and corruption; and proven government-driven censorship. Even the left wing AP admitted today that Facebook has been considering censoring anti-Covid posts in favor of "legitimate sources such as the WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION". That's insane, and is a large part of the absolute fallacy in regarding social media as even a sane, let alone valid, news source. The only reason Facebook cited against that censorship was that it might impact their bottom line.

Who determines which camp is deranged ... mac, Zuckerberg, CNN, Trump, Biden ...? No, thanks; I prefer to base vital medical decisions on medical research free of media political bias, and emerging well-supported facts ... News at Eleven ... are starting to make Fauci look like a third rate Mengele wannabe with big bucks (taxpayers' and his own pocket) at stake, no heart or soul in the game, and hard evidence of his being a habitual and self-evident liar.

I got my first shots before they became so controversial, and we strongly suspect my wife and I had Covid in Dec 2019, before it even became news. That was a nuisance not even worthy of postponing optional abdominal surgery. I've had only one cold in my life, my pulmonary function and oxygenation are outstanding, and acquired natural immunity is vastly superior in both degree and nature to mRNA's symptomatic protection. i.e., it tends to prevent CATCHING Covid rather than just mitigating symptoms.

Stand back; mac's about to launch a personal attack as proof that hundreds of physicians and millions of American citizens are wrong to be concerned.

If this plague is so devastating, why is Biden sending hundreds of thousands of untested illegal aliens and thousands of known infected illegal aliens to towns across the U.S., often under cover of darkness? Why do HE and many other progressive leaders parade through restaurant crowds unmasked? Why does HE cough into his hand just before shaking hands with the public (and did CNN broadcast THAT video)?

GURGLETROUSERS wrote:
I don't understand your logic Iso. You admit to being double vaxxed when any number of medical 'experts' ( so called, but mostly just deranged) warned against it, yet now you seem to think you may be risking life, limbs, health, mobility, and longevity, on the word of the same medical 'experts' by having an extra jab.

The reality is that many countries are now introducing the extra third jab, and uptake is rapidly growing. Results from Israel ( the first to do so to counter the growing number of Delta virus cases) are clear, and amazing. Almost 100% protection against Delta virus in many people. That is not opinion, but what I take as verifiable fact.

I can't understand how you can question that!
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mac



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did I predict a conspiracy theory repost? We all expected it to be all about Isobars and his superior knowledge of everything. Including the daily content of the most extreme right wing sites.

isobars wrote:
Even the left wing AP admitted today that Facebook has been considering censoring anti-Covid posts in favor of "legitimate sources such as the WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION". ...starting to make Fauci look like a third rate Mengele wannabe with big bucks (taxpayers' and his own pocket) at stake, no heart or soul in the game, and hard evidence of his being a habitual and self-evident liar.
... acquired natural immunity is vastly superior in both degree and nature to mRNA's symptomatic protection.

If this plague is so devastating, why is Biden sending hundreds of thousands of untested illegal aliens and thousands of known infected illegal aliens to towns across the U.S., often under cover of darkness? Why do HE and many other progressive leaders parade through restaurant crowds unmasked? Why does HE cough into his hand just before shaking hands with the public (and did CNN broadcast THAT video)?

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Goodwind



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is my research Laughing

Which COVID Vaccine Booster is Best? Pfizer vs. Moderna vs. J. Johnson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhMlZczq4Ns
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farrahlux280



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 5:42 am    Post subject: Cheap, generic anti-depressant may reduce severe Covid-19 di Reply with quote

A cheap, generically available anti-depressant may reduce the risk of severe Covid-19 disease by close to a third in people at high risk, researchers reported Wednesday.

A trial among about 1,500 patients in Brazil showed those who took the drug, known as fluvoxamine, were less likely to progress to severe disease and to require hospitalization.

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The drug, sold under the brand name Luvox, is a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI) most often used to treat obsessive compulsive disorder (OCD) and depression. But it can affect inflammation, said Dr. Angela Reiersen, an associate professor of psychiatry at Washington University in St. Louis who worked on the study, published in The Lancet Global Health.
"Fluvoxamine may reduce the production of inflammatory molecules called cytokines, that can be triggered by SARS-CoV-2 infection," Reiersen said in a statement. The drug may also reduce blood platelets, which may affect the clotting effects of coronavirus infection.[url][/url]
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cgoudie1



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty risky business basing your health on advise in this forum.
I liked the youtube vid (it didn't sell anything).

Just say'n.

-Craig
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isobars



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for the excellent and persuasive video. My primary personal take-aways from it were that 1) if I get a booster, it should be the Moderna, and 2) very surprisingly, my age and suppressed immunity do not significantly increase my risk (at least with Pfizer).

However, a factor highly relevant to all of us is how booster immunization compares to natural (disease-induced) immunization. They are completely different in degree, endurance, and the very nature of the protection they provide. mRNA vaccines mitigate Covid symptoms while doing nothing to prevent catching Covid, and may not provide lasting protection. Natural immunity, OTOH, opposes catching it in the first place and is thought to last a MUCH longer time.

In addition to those differences are the side (unwanted and harmful) effects. Those have been historically and inexcusably ignored in the PubMed literature across the entire medical spectrum. Many, maybe most, clinical studies simply don't even record absolutely devastating side effects ("Hey, your heart is still beating, isn't it? Nobody cares if your life is no longer worth living.") I'll spare you the details, but that is not an exaggeration. Most studies that do observe side effects (SE) don't count them unless they require such steps as repeated, serious, life-altering surgeries, for example. Some doctors claim, with extensive supportive data, that Covid boosters threaten serious SEs that are being censored by the government, Big Pharma, and Big Tech for obvious reasons.

Garland and Fauci have personally and repeatedly demonstrated
in Congressional interrogation, beyond any doubt, that the CDC has become almost as disgustingly and provably politically and fiscally corrupt as the DOJ (not to mention the WHO, the UN, etc.) Between that, the countless physicians lambasting Covid spread and treatment protocols, and a strong suspicion that I've had Covid, I still have reservations about the booster ... and, I hope, plenty of time to reconcile conflicting advice.

I'm not criticizing anyone who favors or gets the booster, but for many reasons I don't trust the government or Big Pharma to manage my life. I'd literally be dead if I did. Look at the obvious global devastation the Biden administration is leveling on every American and countless others worldwide. The only large scale winners of his policies have been the millions of illegal aliens who are being given more free shit than our own impoverished citizens, first responders, and veterans get.

Proof from personal observation and EVERY medical provider I see is that even though the VA is legally obligated to provide 100% of my medical care, I must still pay tens of thousands of dollars annually for REAL medical care insurance. My life and health are worth that (to me), and our government has proved to be not merely incompetent but provably dangerous to my life.

Now multiply "me" by 330,000,000 and convince me I'm just being paranoid, and consider that I'm responsible for no older or younger generations in my extended family. "How about it, punk ... do ya feel lucky?"

Is the CDC any better, considering its leadership? Should we be betting our lives on its advice?

I feel safer trying out my new kayak, including deliberate capsizes, in a local area closed due to toxic algae than in blindly accepting government medical advice at face value.

Goodwind wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhMlZczq4Ns


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isobars



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 11:42 am    Post subject: Re: Cheap, generic anti-depressant may reduce severe Covid-19 di Reply with quote

Always on the lookout for Pollyanna and outright deception, I must wonder whether this antidepressant study considered the suicide tendency side effect of SSRIs.

farrahlux280 wrote:
A cheap, generically available anti-depressant may reduce the risk of severe Covid-19 disease by close to a third in people at high risk, researchers reported Wednesday.
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swchandler



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

isobars, just curious what your favored top-flight oncologist has advised about getting a booster shot. Hopefully you've got the good sense to get his opinion to guide you, but maybe not given your tremendous disdain for doctors and medical specialists.
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wsurfer



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the Iso world everything is suspect!

Only Iso holds the key to survival and longevity!

I So F'n arrogant!

Or maybe I So Trumpian!
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