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techno900



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As Promised, SF Senator Begins Process to Legalize Hard Drugs
By California Family Council on January 22, 2021 in Healthcare, Law

Senator Scott Wiener (D-San Francisco) has made good on his promise to begin his effort to “decriminalize all drug use” step by step with the introduction of several bills at the start of the new legislative session. Senate Bill 57 creates “safe injection sites” in Oakland, San Francisco, and Los Angeles where drug addicts can use illicit drugs under medical supervision. Senate Bill 73 lowers the criminal penalties on users and dealers of heroin, opiates or opium derivatives, salts, cannabis, phencyclidine (PCP), and other dangerous drugs. Still promised, but not yet introduced, is a bill Wiener says will legalize all psychedelic drugs such as LSD and magic mushrooms.

Wiener insists America’s war on drugs has not only failed to eliminate illegal drug use and addiction, but drug criminalization is racist because drug laws disproportionately harm “black and brown communities” by increasing their incarceration rates. “The War on Drugs and mass incarceration are policy and public health failures,” Wiener said in a recent press release.

But for others, who admit the country’s efforts to curb the use of harmful drugs via law enforcement hasn’t solved the problem, legalizing deadly drugs defies logic. This is especially baffling in California, where state legislators pride themselves on banning products and services that are much less dangerous.

“How is it that California is considering legalizing LSD or lowering criminal penalties for heroin dealers, while at the same time it outlaws single-use plastic bags, curbs the use of plastic straws, or seeks to eliminate fossil fuels we all depend upon because of their danger to humans and nature?” California Family Council Director of Capitol Engagement Greg Burt asked. “Shouldn’t the government protect us from drug cartels notorious for getting rich on the backs of the destroyed lives of every race? If you care about protecting racial minorities, shouldn’t you outlaw drugs that are killing them at higher rates?”

Safe injection sites, as proposed by SB 57, are not new. Australia and Canada have been operating centers for years, but not without problems. “Safe injection sites have not delivered on their promises and have caused a significant increase in trash, crime, and disorder,” writes Christopher Rufo with the Heritage Foundation.

Philadelphia was planning on opening the nation’s first safe injection site, but last week the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit ruled that the injection center violated a federal statute dubbed the “crack house” law. This law, passed in the 1980’s, outlawed establishing any location to unlawfully use controlled substances. But according to Philadelphia Inquirer, the new Biden administration is expected to ease up on enforcement, especially if Biden’s choice to lead the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, California’s Attorney General Xavier Becerra, is approved. Last July, Becerra joined a multistate amicus brief supporting the Philadelphia case to open its illegal drugs injection site.

Wiener obviously isn’t eager to reveal his bill removes mandatory jail time for drug dealers, but that is what his bill does.

Now back to SB 73. Read Wiener’s public pronouncements supporting SB 73 and you will see he is trying to mislead people on what the bill does. He says the bill will end mandatory minimum sentencing requirements for many drug offenses, but he only talks about the users and addicts who will not be required to go to jail for possession. Yet pull up the language of the bill and you will see the text also removes minimum sentencing for “possessing for sale,” “forging or altering prescriptions,” and “agreeing to sell or transport” hard drugs. Wiener obviously isn’t eager to reveal his bill removes mandatory jail time for drug dealers, but that is what his bill does.


https://www.californiafamily.org/2021/as-promised-sf-senator-begins-process-to-legalize-hard-drugs/
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J64TWB



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excuse me, but aren’t you all for personal freedoms? Freedom to not wear a mask or social distance, freedom to inject bleach, freedom to not take a vaccine? Freedom to take whatever drugs or drink as much soda as one wishes?
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vientomas



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.mic.com/articles/110344/14-years-after-portugal-decriminalized-all-drugs-here-s-what-s-happening
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coachg



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vientomas, after 1/6/2021 it should have become obvious to you that not only do conservatives believe in alternative facts, they live in an alternative reality. You are wasting your time trying to use science & logic with a conservative. Try lying bigly; polls show they respond well to that.

On a side note, if smoke alarms were going off in my own house, I think I would be more concerned about the cause of those alarms than I would with my neighbor’s alarm across the street. I guess trolls must operate on different logic.

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mac



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the factual world, scientists at the University of California San Francisco have identified a promising drug, Aplidin, that might actually kill the coronavirus. Nearly 30 times as strong as remdesivir. Let’s see now, what are conservatives going to hate about this?

1. It actually works.
2. It was developed in California.
3. It was discovered by scientists.
4. Discoveries require research money.
5. They didn’t find about it from a Trump tweet. (See #1)
6. It came from a marine organism that might be in danger from global warming.

And by the way, Techno’s source is a right wing religious organization. But we pretty much already knew how he washed his brain.
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swchandler



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

techno900, a bit more from your brother's trove of right wing craziness to feed your nutty California hunger?

Don't you think it's time to change the paradigm when it comes to drugs and the folks that use them? Thoughtful folks know that criminalizing drug use in ways that have been used for far too many years has had very little, if any real success at all. Just look how much money is spent maintaining our massive prison system on all levels. Moreover, the US arguably leads the world in the number of folks being incarcerated. Records that we shouldn't be proud of as a nation.

In the past, haven't you commented on your utter disdain for a "government driven big brother" forcing us down a rotten path driven by left wing craziness?

I that find right wing folks can be the worst hypocrites. Load them up with religious nonsense, and they eagerly tear into and ravage personal freedoms on so many fronts. If you doubt me, just spend a little time reading history.
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wsurfer



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2021 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The upside is you are not living in Oregon where to GOP made this proclamation:
* Whereas history tells us that after George Washington appointed Major General Benedict Arnold to command West Point, Arnold conspired to surrender the fort to the British."
* "Whereas the ten Republican House members, by voting to impeach President Trump, repeated history by conspiring to surrender our nation to Leftist forces seeking to establish a dictatorship void of all cherished freedoms and liberties."
* "Whereas there is growing evidence that the violence at the Capitol was a 'false flag' operation designed to discredit President Trump, his supporters, and all conservative Republicans; this provided the sham motivation to impeach President Trump in order to advance the Democrat goal of seizing total power, in a frightening parallel to the February 1933 burning of the German Reichstag."

I think they are all off their meds!!!
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LHDR



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2021 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The sad thing is that techno, like other right wingers here, will not agree that vientomas' article makes good arguments nor try to argue against them. The best I've seen from him is stating that he just posted something but does not necessarily agree with it. Sad!
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techno900



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2021 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you guys in Calif. or other liberal areas believe that the below bills are good, well good for you, but I don't want it happening in my state. Maybe a similar program shows promise in Portugal, but let's see if they even pass in Calif. first.

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Senator Scott Wiener (D-San Francisco) has made good on his promise to begin his effort to “decriminalize all drug use” step by step with the introduction of several bills at the start of the new legislative session. Senate Bill 57 creates “safe injection sites” in Oakland, San Francisco, and Los Angeles where drug addicts can use illicit drugs under medical supervision. Senate Bill 73 lowers the criminal penalties on users and dealers of heroin, opiates or opium derivatives, salts, cannabis, phencyclidine (PCP), and other dangerous drugs. Still promised, but not yet introduced, is a bill Wiener says will legalize all psychedelic drugs such as LSD and magic mushrooms.
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vientomas



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

techno900 wrote:
Maybe a similar program shows promise in Portugal, but let's see if they even pass in Calif. first.


"Promise"? It's been in effect for 14 years. How many years before it's more than just showing "promise"?
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