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MalibuGuru



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:59 pm    Post subject: Idiots got what the wanted Reply with quote

Patrick Grady writes:
"The entire American tech stack, which enables Americans to buy, sell, pay, and communicate, has been weaponized in furtherance of a radical anti-freedom agenda.
This is the single most chilling week in my lifetime, and Americaís since the Civil War.
If you donít comply with the Leftís dogma and agenda, your ability to provide for your family, communicate with your friends, express your once-free-opinions, and live an American life, will come grinding to a halt.
The glibness with which this fascist playbook has been enacted by billionaire boys-with-dictatorial-toys, the power hungry Democratic Party, and their virtue signaling cultural proxies, only serves to underscore the deep fractures, incompatibility, and irreconcilable differences between the two visions of and for America:
An exceptional, but imperfect nation, which has incrementally improved on all dimensions since inception, and has done more good for humanity than all nations in history in the aggregate.
Or -
A manifestly racist, imperialist, and white patriarchal country which must be reimagined, restructured, and reengineered to enable the elites of the Left to control every single aspect of our lives.
Iím a student of history, and I have never once been more concerned for freedom, here and abroad, than I am at this moment. The Left is playing god here. This will not end well for anyone in this country, or anyone in the free world.
This dangerously naive idea that you can unleash the dogs of fascism and censorship with precision against your enemies (e.g. Trump, Parler, Republicans) is devoid of any understanding of humans and systems.
The determinations by humans as to what constitutes "free speech" and "hate speech" and "dangerous" speech is inherently subjective, arbitrary, and ever changing. Look no further than the Orwellian euphemisms employed in 2020 to rationalize the anarchy of the ANTIFA and BLM-led riots.
The collateral damage will be boundless, creating new enemies which will require more blunt force measures, which will in turn generate more hostile reactions, creating more collateral damage, and so on.
We have opened the Gates of Hell and itís a one way passage for all. There will be no immunity for the wealthy, the power hungry, or the virtue signaling among us.
This isnít a warning or threat; itís a history lesson."
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mac



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bardóyou are one sick puppy.

Are you taking your guns to DC, or Sacramento?
Youíll find out this isnít cosplayóand the kool aid is poisoned.
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coboardhead



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Malibu posts an opinion piece that summarizes how history repeats itself. Meanwhile, the man he supports uses the Nazi playbook of telling lies over and over until many believe them and act on it. Then people die.
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J64TWB



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no such concept as free speech in private companies. If a government tries to mandate free speech (or lack there of) in private companies is called socialism.

These people are dumb as rocks.
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vientomas



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK "Guru", here goes...

#1: If you are going to try and insult people, at a minimum you should use proper grammar. Your post title is essentially: "You be dumb". That's not a good opening for your position.

#2: The companies you are complaining about are exercising their right as private businesses to decide with whom they want to do business. You have no legal "right" to a Twitter account or a Facebook account. There is no free speech violation here because the government is not supressing speech. Recall the anti-gay bakers who did not want to bake cakes for gays? You supported their right to do so? Same thing here, private buinesses are choosing to not provide a voice to terrorists. If you and the terrorists don't like that, feel free to open your own social media platform. Is that not the way of the Conservative? Pull yourself up by the bootstraps? Limited Government? Private Enterprise? Or is it to whine like a little snowflake when you don't get your way?

BTW, did you graduate from high school? Try readng the Constitution sometime. Here is a little bit of it for you to chew on:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Now, what law did Congress pass that is being used to supress speech as you have argued?
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vientomas



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

J64TWB wrote:
There is no such concept as free speech in private companies. If a government tries to mandate free speech (or lack there of) in private companies is called socialism.

These people are dumb as rocks.


That's an insult to rocks...these people are dumber than rocks.
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mac



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm curious as to where the fringes--right and left--get their misinformation. You can't find the original source of Bard's quote by either searching on Patrick Brady or on any of the phrases within the quote, so it's not clear where he got this rather incoherent and nonsensical screed. I did ultimately find a piece by Patrick Brady and Herbert Grubel about immigration and the welfare state on the website for the Fraser Institute. A whacky anti-immigration screed on a whacky and biased libertarian site--it makes sense. Brady is a very obscure guy--hardly well thought of or prolific in the real academic world of literature--which is clear from the incoherent nature of the quoted post.

What is even sadder than Bard's constant bathing of his brain in sites that stimulate his already heightened sense of paranoia is the lack of any real understanding of the Constitution and Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights protects an individual's right to free speech--but not without any limits. I was still in grade school when I understood the classic example--the right to free speech does not allow you to shout "fire" in a crowded theater. If that is false, you can successfully be sued by any hurt in the resulting scrum.

There is long and detailed literature, and many court cases, about the limitations on free speech. From the days of the founding fathers, a clear distinction has been made between freedom and license. In the current example, Trump's urging of violence by his cult is license, not protected free speech.

As noted above, the restrictions in the Bill of Rights on abridging speech apply to the government, not private parties. I can organize a boycott of Hobby Lobby because I consider them homophobic, and I can take down any material they might try to post on my site--say if I ran Facebook. So Brady and Bard are, at best, confused about the meaning of the First Amendment.

Here the distinction is much clearer. Parler urged violence against members of Congress. Not only can they be refused service by Amazon, which is what happened, they can be sued for the financial damage that occurred to the Capitol, or identified as a terrorist organization.

Bard has drunk deeply of the kool aid.
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J64TWB



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bard, its a free market. Feel free to start your own company with itís own revenue stream and advertising base. Then if you choose, demand your employees don't wear masks or recycle plastic and only view extreme right websites. Now find yourself some web servers which allow hate speech and advertise ammunition and pillows all day long! Isnít America great? Donít give up hope, the American dream is alive and well.
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boggsman1



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hilarious to see the whining from the right. The old school Republicans used to say, "if you don't like it, don't use it...its a free market" . Well, I'd say the same thing about social media. Facebook hatched Cambridge Analytica, Rebeccah Mercer's baby which helped Trump in 2016, and now she's crying because Parler is being shuttered. Just a business decision, Bard...that's all. In this case , trying to save lives.
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mac



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snowflakes. Ignorant snowflakes.
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