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windward1



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Engineers can make mistakes too. I made one once.....I think.
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dllee



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

C'mon, these comments are half joking.
I know engineers are vital to society beyond the stone age.
Heck, if it wasn't for surfing, I might have become an engineer.
Bit this is a time of shelter in place, and boredom is one of our biggest enemies.
And I do regularly windsurf with a handful of engineers and scientists.
UC Berkeleys Rad Lab is 3 miles from our launch site.
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LUCARO



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Windsurfing is art and science. Sometimes people use a biased view of the science to justify why their art works, but really they are just really really good artists.
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dllee



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you ever TALKED to an engineer who windsurfs?
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LUCARO



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dllee wrote:
Have you ever TALKED to an engineer who windsurfs?


I must have, as they are rampant in the bay area, but I cant follow em
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underwood



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dllee wrote:
Someone has never windsurfed in Santa Ana winds.
And that is why there exists....people persons...and there exists...engineers.


Why do clouds float in the air? They are nothing but "moist air"
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dllee



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ever windsurf IN fog?
Easy .5 smaller sail.
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dllee



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moist air, yes.
Pressure differential above and below, yes.
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dllee



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And try thinking for a change.
When an airplane flies into a cloud layer, it not only encounters turbulence, but it needs ADDED power to fly thru due to INCREASED resistance from moist air.
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windward1



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clouds and fog are not gaseous water alone. The part that you can see is LIQUID water. IT is what happens when you get to that left curved line on the Psychometric Chart. That is called the Saturation Curve. Once conditions bump up against it, 100% Relative Humidity, the gaseous water starts to come out as liquid water. Now we are no longer talking about a gas mixture alone. Tiny droplets of suspended liquid are present.

Then there is supercooled water which can happen in clouds as well. But I will leave that for another spiel.

Or not.
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