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techno900



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The story says:
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As it is now, the SAB does allow and include advisors with industry expertise. Of the board’s current 51 members, which are appointed by the EPA Administrator for three-year terms, three have industry expertise. But bill sponsor Rep. Chris Stewart (R-UT) says that’s not enough.

“All we’re asking is that there be some balance to those experts, and that there further be transparency and understanding of who was selected, why they were selected, and why others were excluded,” he said. “We’re losing valuable insight and valuable guidance because we don’t include them in the process.”


Sounds reasonable to me.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

boggsman1 wrote:
295,000 new jobs, 5.5%.....Cranking. Steve, do you have a link to a two year old report today?

I guess you'll always accept the new style unemployment rate.
But in reality it's more like this~
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62.8%: Labor Force Participation Has Hovered Near 37-Year-Low for 11 Months

March 6, 2015 - 10:01 AM

The labor force participation rate hovered between 62.9 percent and 62.7 percent in the eleven months from April 2014 through February, and has been 62.9 percent or lower in 13 of the 17 months since October 2013.

Prior to that, the last time the rate was below 63 percent was 37 years ago, in March 1978 when it was 62.8 percent, the same rate it was in February.

"The civilian labor force participation rate, at 62.8 percent, changed little in February and has remained within the narrow range of 62.7 to 62.9 percent since April 2014," the BLS said in its release on the February employment data.

92,898,000 Americans were not in the labor force in February, according to data released from the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) on Friday.

The labor force participation rate is the percentage of the civilian noninstitutional population who participated in the labor force by either having a job during the month or actively seeking one.

In February, according to BLS, the nation’s civilian noninstitutional population, consisting of all people 16 or older who were not in the military or an institution, reached 249,899,000. Of those, 157,002,000 participated in the labor force by either holding a job or actively seeking one.

The 157,002,000 who participated in the labor force was 62.8 percent of the 249,899,000 civilian noninsttutional population, which matches the 62.8 percent rate in April, May, June, and October of 2014 as well as the participation rate in March of 1978. The participation rate hit its lowest level since February 1978 (62.7 percent) in September and December of 2014.

BLS points to the aging of the baby boom generation as a key factor affecting the labor force participation rate:

"In 2000, baby boomers were aged 36 to 54 years and were in the group with the highest participation rates: the prime-aged group 25 to 54 years old. The participation rate for women in this group was 76.7 percent and for men was 91.6 percent, so that the overall participation rate of the group was 84.0 percent. The participation rate of the next-older age group, that 55 years and older, was 32.4 percent, so the difference between the two age groups was 52 percentage points.”

But, with the passage of every year after 2000, a segment of the baby-boomer population passes into the 55-years-and-older age group, thus moving from a group with a high participation rate in the labor force to an age category with a much lower participation rate, causing the overall participation rate to decrease, BLS explained.

“The baby boomers’ exit from the prime-aged workforce (with the highest participation rates) into the 55-years-and older age groups (with much lower participation rates) will ultimately lower the overall labor force participation rate, leading to a slowdown in the growth of the labor force."

In February, 92,898,000 people did not participate in the labor force. These Americans did not have a job and were not actively trying to find one. When President Obama took office in January 2009, there were 80,529,000 Americans who were not participating in the office, which means that since then, 12,369,000 Americans have left the workforce.

Of the 157,002,000 who did participate in the labor force, 148,297,000 had a job, and 8,705,000 did not have a job but were actively seeking one -– making them the nation’s unemployed.

The 8,705,000 job seekers were 5.5 percent of the 157,002,000 Americans actively participating in the labor force during the month of February. Thus, the unemployment rate for that money was 5.5 percent.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/ali-meyer/628-labor-force-participation-has-hovered-near-37-year-low-11-months
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And it's even worse for women

56,023,000: Record Number of Women Not in Labor Force
March 6, 2015 - 10:07 AM

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/ali-meyer/56023000-record-number-women-not-labor-force
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Cranking?
I've got a bridge for sale, interested?
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techno900



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

boggs said:
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295,000 new jobs, 5.5%.....Cranking

YES, for some. However, the left likes to keep the focus pretty narrow and never looks at the big picture, or as I would say, "the whole story".

As NW30 points out, a huge number are sucking air and aren't exactly on the "cranking" end of things. These huge numbers, mostly non-contributing members of society are becoming more and more dependent on the government and other charitable organizations for survival. Talking about widening the gap between the haves and have nots - to me it looks like Obama couldn't have done more to contribute to economic class separation.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Again...We have had this discussion before. When studying economics, we view statistics that have a large sample , and have been around for a long time. I am referencing the establishment survey which says the economy added 295,000 net new jobs in February, and the unemployment rate sits at 5.5%. This is NOT new NW...we have covered this before. If you want to reference other stats and surveys, that is fine. But the direction of the establishment survey is quite positive, the main reason the Bond market is getting wacked today.
Techno...capitalism does NOT yield positive results for all. The average manufacturing worker worked 42 hours in feb...why is that? We have a SHORTAGE of quality applicants for manufacturing jobs. Whose fault is that? If you are smart , well educated, and driven ..this baby is cranking...
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

boggs said:
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Techno...capitalism does NOT yield positive results for all. The average manufacturing worker worked 42 hours in feb...why is that? We have a SHORTAGE of quality applicants for manufacturing jobs. Whose fault is that? If you are smart , well educated, and driven ..this baby is cranking...

Apparently liberalism doesn't either, except for "smart, well educated, and driven". Maybe free community college will take care of it? Just print some more money and presto = millions of new smart, well educated and driven individuals in the work place. You think?

Actually, if it weren't for expanding government control and the cost, free community college may not be a bad idea. Before final judgment, I would like to know what percentage of those currently graduating from community college are moving into good paying, full time manufacturing or technical jobs?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

techno900, I think what you're missing is that many things that the government does are investments in the hopes that the programs will yield positive results.

Wouldn't you agree that a more highly educated citizenry has a better chance of success moving into the future? With the explosive costs of a college education over the last 25 to 30 years, investing in an existing community college system nationwide and offering relatively free education and training to folks that don't have the funds and/or academic record makes real sense to me. Of course, there's no guarantee that there will be good paying jobs waiting for all those that graduate, but don't we all depend on the engine of innovation, growth and development to open the door?

I have to ask, what would you expect the Republicans to do? Outside of blaming and criticizing the Obama Administration and the Democrats in Congress, what have they done other than promote the removal of government regulations that protect our environment, and opening to door to raping and exporting our natural resources for the benefit of large corporations? In the past, Republicans have often promised results that vaporized or never materialized. After significantly cutting taxes early in the Bush/Cheney Administration, did that lead to the promised wealth of good high paying jobs for average Americans? Hardly.

Over the next two years or so, Congressional Republicans have the opportunity invest in the future and prove that they have to vision and leadership to accomplish big things into the future. In my view, cutting the crap out of government isn't going to lead to anything significant for the average American family. Let's see if they have the good sense to double down on building and revamping our national infrastructure, especially during a time of record low cost interest rates. That would be a good start, but I question whether they can lead the way because they're way too worried about government control and spending tax dollars. They need to recognize that doing nothing accomplishes nothing.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you rely on Faux news, you can't help but be wrong:

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When Republicans complain about economic policy under President Obama – and especially job growth, as Jeb Bush does almost every day – someone might inquire how they think he compares with the last couple of presidents from their party (both of whom happened to bear the surname Bush). Underlined by February’s data released today, Obama’s record is outstanding and continues to smash the idiotic economic predictions promoted by Republicans (and their Fox News echoes) about the stimulus, the deficit, the Affordable Care Act, the auto bailout, the federal budget, and nearly every policy of this administration.

Perhaps someday a television personality on a Sunday chat show will muster the tiny amount of courage needed to pose the question to a guest like Jeb: Why do Democratic administrations result in so many more jobs than Republican administrations? This bold interrogation wouldn’t require much research effort. Helpful information that contrasts the success of recent Democratic presidents — and the abject failure of the GOP presidents who preceded them — may easily be found here, for instance (h/t Eclectablog and our friend @LOLGOP). And many other places, too.

The short version is that under Barack Obama (6.7 million so far) and Bill Clinton (22.6 million), we saw the creation of nearly 30 million net jobs; under George H.W. Bush (2.6 million) and George W. Bush (1.3 million), just short of 4 million net jobs. Even if you award Bush 41 another couple of million jobs for the second term he never won, the essential point should not be lost on even the dimmest voter.

Overall, the historical trends could hardly be clearer. Even Democratic presidents who aren’t named Clinton or Obama tend to score far better than their Republican counterparts, whether named Bush or otherwise – and the consequences can be devastating.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Corporate profits
Stock market performance
Job creation
Overall economic performance
All much much much better under democratic presidents ...
Budget surpluses ? Clinton
Reagan -bush-bush never a balanced budget , never.
Just the facts ma'am
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a saying, don't let the perfect be the enemy of good. NW goes that one better, by looking for a drop of rain from a sunny sky. You can always spin something, particularly if you rely on an alumna from the Heritage Institute and then think you have gotten a balanced story:

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Ali Meyer is a Multimedia Reporter with CNS News, covering economic issues that expose government waste, fraud and abuse which have appeared on outlets like the Drudge Report. Prior to CNSNews.com, she was an investigative reporter intern with the Heritage Foundation and Pacific Research Institute where her work appeared in publications like the San Francisco Examiner and on Heritage’s rapid-response blog,


Credibility and balance is irrelevant to the haters and the paranoid.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess I know where NW washes his mind now. The gutter, also known as CNS news. A bit of their "balance":

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CNSNews.com
CNSNews.com Posts Archive
Terry Jeffrey Warns Of Obama's Bisexual-Communist Plot To 'Capture Our Kids'
SUBMITTED BY: Brian Tashman, Wednesday 03/19/2014, 11:40am
When the Obama administration proposed last month an in increase in funding to states that “would be distributed to local school districts and other partner providers” that offer pre-school programs, CNS News editor-in-chief Terry Jeffrey responded by accusing President Obama of “federalizing 4-year-olds” and putting them in the “custody of government employees.” Yesterday, Jeffrey took his over-the-top claims of forced pre-schooling and government indoctrination to The Janet Mefferd Show, where he said pre-school and the entire public school system... MORE >
Religious Right Outcry on Marriage Equality Intensifies with Denunciations of Obama and the Gay Community
SUBMITTED BY: Brian Tashman, Thursday 05/10/2012, 4:00pm
Enraged and energized by President Obama’s support for marriage equality, conservatives have begun to speak out not only against Obama but also against anti-discrimination laws, not just marriage, for gays and lesbians. Terry Jeffrey of CNSNews, an outfit of the Media Research Center, told American Family Association’s Tim Wildmon and the Family Research Council’s Tony Perkins on Today’s Issues that anti-gay discrimination is not “morally wrong” and asking people not to discriminate against gays would violate natural law: Jeffrey: It’s worth noting... MORE >
CNSNews Discovers More Yuletide Gays at the Smithsonian
SUBMITTED BY: Miranda Blue, Wednesday 01/11/2012, 5:12pm
CNSNews’ Penny Starr caused an uproar in 2010 when she published a story titled, “Smithsonian Christmas-Season Exhibit Features Ant-Covered Jesus, Naked Brothers Kissing, Genitalia, and Ellen DeGeneres Grabbing Her Breasts.” Starr’s story, a breathless review of a groundbreaking National Portrait Gallery exhibit on the gay and lesbian experience in American art, started a textbook case of the right-wing controversy machine, ultimately resulting in the Smithsonian’s removal of a work from the exhibit. Apparently encouraged by last Christmas’s triumph, Starr... MORE >
Right Wing Leftovers
SUBMITTED BY: Kyle Mantyla, Thursday 04/21/2011, 4:32pm
Texas Governor Rick Perry has issued a proclamation urging residents to pray for rain. Read through this and tell me exactly where Ralph Reed "takes on the liberal media." FRC is mobilizing activists to urge the Supreme Court to accept the case of Davenport v. American Atheists. Speaking of FRC, Peter Sprigg is upset with proposed curriculum in Maryland that doesn't show gays as perverted miserable freaks. Know how the Religious Right is always going on about European countries are shutting down the rights of Christians? Finally, the quote of the... MORE >
Right Wing Leftovers
SUBMITTED BY: Kyle Mantyla, Tuesday 03/15/2011, 4:41pm
It seems like Tim Kaine is preparing to run for the Senate. Governor Haley Barbour's press secretary has resigned after sending out an email joking about the Japan earthquake and former Attorney General Janet Reno. On a similar note, the 91 year-old New Hampshire legislator who declared that "crazy people" should be sent to Siberia has also resigned. Rick Santorum attacked Mitt Romney over healthcare and John F. Kennedy for supporting the separation of church and state. Herman Cain says you never hear people talking about the fact that Planned Parenthood was... MORE >


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