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Jaipal
Joined: 06 Apr 2002 Posts: 77 Location: Maui
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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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Absolutely! Gonna be a blast. Let's meet up for sure. Good stuff going on.
-J |
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chophop
Joined: 16 Apr 1996 Posts: 230
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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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Yes I agree with Jaipal the Quads are worth the Hype. They do sail different than any other board. And I think that this different is better. What does any body say about them for Bump n Jump and swell riding in Bay or River conditions? |
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rich1
Joined: 10 Apr 2000 Posts: 156
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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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Thought I'd resurrect this thread based on something very interesting that just happened at the AWT in Maui.
Quote: | 2Cents. Quads are not a fad. They rip! You will never see serious wave riders switching back to singles. Ever. |
KP just won the single elimination on one. And, Nat Gill (finished fourth in the heat) was also on one.
Conditions were big, on day one and head to mast high on day two.
Just sayin' |
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SwellRipper
Joined: 21 Apr 2009 Posts: 193 Location: Channel Marker 11
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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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The kid Bernd, who won the Maui men's Pro, beating KP in the final, rides quatro quads I believe. The final was in light wind with medium waves. I noticed KP rode single fin in Santa Cruz AWT and Bernd was on quad. I think maybe most of the pros are riding multifins in the waves right now, but not all. _________________ Carve the face! |
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rich1
Joined: 10 Apr 2000 Posts: 156
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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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For sure most are on quads, I just wanted to point out that serious wave sailing still exists on singles. I'm also pretty sure that JP was on a single thruster, not really a single per se, but more like a single than a quad.
Another observation after watching all that wave sailing in difficult conditions (17 pros ended up on the rocks on day 1) was a lot of guys were catching a rail and going down as they initiated their cutbacks. I don't want to credit the comment to the wrong guy, but I think it was Matt Pritchard who called it the "quad bog" I may watch the whole thing again with an eye to the single finners to see if they were having the same issues.
For the record, I'm not anti quad, and I've never sailed one. My only multifin experience was with a quatro twin a couple of years back on Maui, and it was very loose on a wave, but I didn't like it any more than my single, just looser.
And, I might add, I'm a pretty crappy wave sailor, I love it, but I'm not going to be winning any contests. |
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3.7_Maui
Joined: 20 Jul 2012 Posts: 22
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:47 am Post subject: quad - yea right |
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I laughed watching little retired old people, the kind that wear helmets and are neurotic in figuring out what sail to use. This crowd all starting to show up to the side-on beach with their new quad boards. I though to myself - man the marketing is working on these quad boards - but seriously how many of the above mentioned people need more bite on a wave, I mean are they really doing tweaked out vertical moves in the critical part of a wave? I also noticed I was suddenly one of the faster boards on the water- they can't be good since am always on a sinker and rig small. The upwind spots were suddenly extremely crowded since anyone on a quad can get high upwind. Whereas skill had always dictated that only the best could get high upwind - now that no longer holds true - so now skill no longer determines who gets to teh upwind wave spots and who gets the wave selection - skill no longer has much influence as I just explained. Now you see why I hate the quad!! Now the waves are crowded with people lacking the skills once required just to get into the lineup. Quads make me sick - I hate them - but the helmet wearing geeks will always want to look like the rad surfers they are not. The quad is supposed to be good in down the line conditions for some people - not side-on shore for everyone. At the Hookipa Makani classic many contestants were stalling out completely or falling - Matt Prichard called that the "quad bog". Funny how his brother KP came in second using a single fin! Anyway IMHO: a single fine equates to powerful bottom turns and rail to rail slashing, - and a quad equates to a slower board - but snappy. They also have more grip which is both good and bad. What about the twins and thrusters - I know some that swear to the thruster setup which has proven itself in surfing.
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churan
Joined: 05 Mar 2008 Posts: 54
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 10:23 am Post subject: |
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I recomend u do a demo and decide before purchasing.
I still ride single fin JP/Naish. prowave.
These are fast top to bottom boards. Quads etc are surfy pocket boards that kindof change your style of riding.
Several guys i know bought quads and had to change the fin type setup etc to get them to feel right. Quads wont break loose for a slashing top turn!
One guy went back to riding his old style angulo chango over the quad.
It is a big investment. especially if you realize u dont like the ride.
Demo Demo good luck |
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3.7_Maui
Joined: 20 Jul 2012 Posts: 22
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 4:11 pm Post subject: How many fins would a dolphin use? |
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Look at those in the know - large sea creatures like dolphins and sharks. lets see, they all use a single fin set up. |
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ericwelty
Joined: 03 Jun 2006 Posts: 48
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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OK, I thought I would put in my two cents. I really only sail waves, and have had the 72 Goya quad for one and a half seasons now and what I like about it is I don't spin out ( big plus ) it does seem a little slower than my single fins , but not much. Dan Chen has been going faster on his 75 Simmer quad than I can ever remember ( he passes me up now , DRATS ) The quad does feel looser , and I don't seem to catch as many weeds, even with the extra fins " GO FIGURE " , the other thing all my fins on the quad are still in good shape, not hitting the rocks much. My single fins get trashed , and pick up those pesky weeds more. I am now looking to replace my JP radical 80 single fin ( light wind board ) with the Simmer 85 quad. Then maybe I can catch Dan and get the wave before he does.[/b] |
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bdrumin
Joined: 22 Nov 2016 Posts: 1
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Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:53 am Post subject: Quads and others |
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Great discussion on Quads! I know that was years ago but very interesting all the feedback.
If you look at fun set ups.. there is the windsurfer point of view and experience. .. shapers are trying to adopt the style and feeling as well as reasons for different fin set ups.
I know that Keith Tabool has spent probably as many years surfing as windsurfing. I have surfed in the lineups with him plenty. He is borrowing ideas and concepts from surfboards all the time.
We get to benefit from all this cross training and cross engineering.
What I think is important is that people realize that non of this is gimmicky but rather a new feeling that allows you to pick a style with a board and fin type or ......and more correctly, you should choose a fin set up for the given day, hour or spot..... this is the real benefit.
As a general rule:
Single - fast drivey predictable lots of power
Twin - super loose spinny skatey and well super loose as in vertical on a dime
Quad - fast, drivey skatey and super slash. Control and slash
So why use a twin fin... ?? Simple... in junk waves and side on or onshore wavesailing it allows you to pivot and go vertical and do turns way past 12 O'clock...and hit the pockets in shit waves and even moving slowly.
Pay attention ad well to aspect ration on twins... more rake means more predictable sweepy turns....more vertical and narrow..means faster pivot time and also a very fast twin set up. Look at Phillip Koster.. loves twins..
Anyways, windsurfers should all surf.. this is how you learn to wave sail and learn about fin designs.
Thanks
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