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boggsman1



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's right, and the subject we are currently discussing actually got the president impeached. So, if the president cared less about Hunter Biden , and more about the American people, he would have a much better chance of winning.
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wsurfer



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

isobars wrote:
Anyone who actually wants to know how honest or dishonest Joe Biden is should have watched Tucker Carlson's interview with Bobulinski Tuesday night and decided for themselves how credible the insider/whistleblower (Bobulinski) is, rather than letting mac tell them how and what to believe. (Even the lies about Trump aren't as damning). The interview was all over the internet for a few minutes, until Fox blocked it because it's copyrighted. It will probably reappear before long.

Dumb move, IMO. Leaving that online may have been a free and very effective way to gather even more viewers and force the left wing media to tell the public the truth about Joe Biden.

BTW, "Tucker Carlson Tonight" is officially the highest-rated cable news show ever. Google it.



I wouldn't go so far to call it "news".

Dare I post it yet again?

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/917747123/you-literally-cant-believe-the-facts-tucker-carlson-tells-you-so-say-fox-s-lawye

Even his lawyers have argued that:

Just read U.S. District Judge Mary Kay Vyskocil's opinion, leaning heavily on the arguments of Fox's lawyers: The "'general tenor' of the show should then inform a viewer that [Carlson] is not 'stating actual facts' about the topics he discusses and is instead engaging in 'exaggeration' and 'non-literal commentary.' "

She wrote: "Fox persuasively argues, that given Mr. Carlson's reputation, any reasonable viewer 'arrive[s] with an appropriate amount of skepticism' about the statement he makes."

So his viewers are either not reasonable or they lack skepticism!!!

I watched the interview and couldn't really understand what this guy was harping about other than someone was harming his reputation and dissed him in Monaco.
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LHDR



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac wrote:
CB--more to the point, there was never a deal, even if we are to believe these guys. On the other hand, it is absolutely clear that Ivanka Trump got Chinese trademarks. Hypocrites like mrgybe studiously ignore the overwhelming corruption of the entire Trump family and administration and grasp at Fox News straws.

It's all about abortion--controlling women--and not paying taxes.

I find it hard to believe that in this case it is because of abortion or saving some money on taxes, though I'm at a loss for a better explanation.
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vientomas



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LHDR wrote:
mac wrote:
CB--more to the point, there was never a deal, even if we are to believe these guys. On the other hand, it is absolutely clear that Ivanka Trump got Chinese trademarks. Hypocrites like mrgybe studiously ignore the overwhelming corruption of the entire Trump family and administration and grasp at Fox News straws.

It's all about abortion--controlling women--and not paying taxes.

I find it hard to believe that in this case it is because of abortion or saving some money on taxes, though I'm at a loss for a better explanation.


Single issue voters. The scourge of society...

The deepening dogmatism of the Democratic Party on abortion is an inescapable moral challenge. But Catholics also need to recognize that we are living out the collateral effects of a misbegotten decades-long settlement between certain groups of political and religious leaders on the right. For far too long, in pursuit of “single-issue” strategies to end abortion, many Christians have scandalously turned a blind eye to real breakdowns in solidarity and dehumanizing policies, including crackdowns on worker rights and voting rights, the slashing of social support for the poor and sick, racism and the exploitation of immigrants and the environment.

All of this has backfired and contributed to the issue’s intractability, widened the polarization in our society, harmed the credibility of the commitment of Christians to the common good and compromised the integrity of our Gospel witness.

Pope Francis has repeatedly challenged American Catholics to reframe our approach to abortion. The Holy Father is clear:

Our defense of the innocent unborn, for example, needs to be clear, firm and passionate, for at stake is the dignity of a human life, which is always sacred and demands love for each person, regardless of his or her stage of development. Equally sacred, however, are the lives of the poor, those already born, the destitute, the abandoned and the underprivileged, the vulnerable infirm and elderly exposed to covert euthanasia, the victims of human trafficking, new forms of slavery and every form of rejection.

We must repudiate any compromise of the moral integrity of the church’s witness through partisan alignment with single-issue political strategies disconnected from an integral ethic of human life. The moral and ontological pre-eminence of human life is gravely undermined by narrow political stratagems corrosive of the common good. Our concern and advocacy for life must embrace all of the marginalized and excluded, or it will ring hollow.

At the same time, we should also recognize that the individualistic reduction of abortion to a question of so-called “reproductive rights” brackets this fundamental social issue from any common moral analysis, as if the question of abortion carried no moral weight at all. It also displaces our attention from society’s duty to support the real economic and social needs of women, expectant mothers and families, where we are sorely lacking.

President Donald Trump has voiced his support for unborn life and taken steps toward defending life, like the reinstatement of the Mexico City Policy. Likewise, he has taken positive steps to protect religious liberties. But the president has also tainted the pro-life cause with the individualism and cult of wealth, greed and celebrity that very quickly erode solidarity and cheapen life. And he has undermined the foundational importance of religious liberty with actions like travel bans targeting Muslims. Supported by a pagan aesthetic of self-assertion and buoyed by a destructive politics of fear and xenophobia, his administration has encouraged the worst expressions of nativism. And this is dangerously taxing the durability of our democratic institutions.


https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2020/09/28/bishop-seitz-el-paso-catholics-single-issue-voting-election-2020-biden-trump
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mrgybe



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

boggsman1 wrote:
I really could care less Mr. G. Its just another BS hit job to add to the collection.

So you've concluded he's lying because........well, nothing really. OK......got it. No bias there. BTW, it's "couldn't care less".
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swchandler



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone with a brain knew long ago that Donald Trump and his crew of bad boys would somehow attempt to blow up Joe Biden using his family before the election. It was always about taking the Hunter Biden thing, which ironically was the foundation for Trump's impeachment, as the path to a takedown.

How come its taken so long? Here we are just days from the election, and now we're being blasted and railroaded in a stage and conditions that are both ridiculous and simply contrived. Just look at mrgybe's repeated pitch and questionable judgments here. Pretty futile really, because it's far too late in the game to make it happen.

Trump must be totally pissed right now that Rudy came up way too late and quite short of the mark. This guy Bobulinski isn't even breaking it into respected journalism and media. It's a Fox News promotion that is going nowhere right now, at least for thoughtful folks out there.
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mac



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rudy was busy thinking he was going to get his knob waxed. Mroil is busy staying on message and ignoring real corruption.
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mac



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrgybe wrote:

So you've concluded he's lying because........well, nothing really.


I couldn't invent an argument this silly. Let's look at the "nothing."

1. A hard drive left with a blind man who thinks it may have been Hunter Biden. Apparently forgotten by Hunter.

2. The daily avalanche of lies from Trump, most recently accusing Biden of pretty much everything.

3. Efforts by Trump to suborn perjured "dirt" on Biden that were so corrupt that he extorted the newly elected head of the Ukraine and withheld aid. A bridge so far that he became only the third President to be impeached. A crime so obvious, requiring the Republican Senators to ignore their oath to uphold the Constitution in order to acquit him.

4. The timing and the obvious political bias of the accuser.

5. The pattern. How many people has Trump paid off to help with the election? Wasn't Cohen in jail because of that?

6. The pattern--Giuliani is all over both stories--when he's not reclining on a bed in a Borat movie.

7. The pattern. E-mails, again?

Just to add to the preposterous nature of this fairy tale--mroil, NW and Matty believe it and we know how skeptical they are.

Nothing? Laughable. But like much British humor--not really very funny.
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wsurfer



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrgybe wrote:
boggsman1 wrote:
I really could care less Mr. G. Its just another BS hit job to add to the collection.

So you've concluded he's lying because........well, nothing really. OK......got it. No bias there. BTW, it's "couldn't care less".


I could care less about your opinion but I don't. Got it?

Leave it to a crusty old Brit!

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/could-couldnt-care-less
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coboardhead



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perfect
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