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mac



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apparently the death toll in India may be 4,000,000. And England celebrated “Freedom Day”on July 19–as cases soar to over 50,000 a day. Stiff upper lip—as you bury your head in the sand.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We're not doing that well here either. Cases continue to rise under the Delta variant. Now even Fox News and Republican politicians are stepping out and encouraging vaccinations.

Of course there are still the holdouts such as Carlson, Ingraham, Majorie Taylor Greene, The Wheelchair Guy and probably the worst offender of all "America's Frontline Doctors".


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America%27s_Frontline_Doctors

Hardly doctors and hardly frontline. Really just a right wing internet scam to sell telemedicine, pharmaceuticals, and solicit online donations. Massive purveyors of misinformation in the name of profit.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We're not doing well mostly because of misinformation being propagated by the far right. There appear to be chinks in the armor of Fox and Newsmax but until the whole of the misinformation spreaders are derided we are left susceptible to more outbreaks.


I for one do not look forward to having to wear a mask because there are so many dimwitted individuals following their lead.

This bitch is a major super spreader of misinformation.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/05/doctor-lawyer-insurrectionist-the-radicalization-of-simone-gold/
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mostly ignorant non-vaccers are causing a huge problem.

I get it, you deserve to oppose it for various reasons.

Really though, overlay the Trump map on the unvaccinated map and you have a match.

As with war and the draft I don't ever think conscientious objectors reached a level of 30% so just man the f*ck up!!!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Really though, overlay the Trump map on the unvaccinated map and you have a match.


A better analysis of the vaccinations and Covid cases can be found at:

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/

It appears that those that choose to not get vaccinated is more about race than politics. And I would speculate that the high number of minorities choosing to avoid vaccination voted liberal.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

techno900 wrote:
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Really though, overlay the Trump map on the unvaccinated map and you have a match.


A better analysis of the vaccinations and Covid cases can be found at:

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/

It appears that those that choose to not get vaccinated is more about race than politics. And I would speculate that the high number of minorities choosing to avoid vaccination voted liberal.


Interesting article, faulty analysis. This is a multi-variate question, and there is much more than race--and politics--involved. There is a long history of disparate outcomes for health care for poor people, and particularly for people of color, and particularly in the south, where states have been reluctant to fund health care mandates. Then there is the history of the Tuskegee syphilis experiments. Limited places to get vaccinated makes it harder for poor people, of whatever race. This is a bit more insightful analysis, from https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/us-vaccine-demographics.html


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As the Covid-19 delta variant spreads throughout the U.S., states facing the biggest spikes in new cases also tend to be those doing an especially poor job vaccinating their largest racial group, White people.

In almost a dozen states reporting more than 50 cases per 100,000 people last week, White people make up a disproportionately low share of the vaccinated population, which was not the case in the earliest months of the national inoculation drive. In Missouri, Louisiana and Nevada, where new cases are running at least twice as high, the White vaccination rate trailed the Hispanic rate, which had long been held down by the group’s relatively low median age.

Recent polls have found Republicans and White evangelicals are least likely to say they’ll get the shots, which may account for less uptake among White people in certain states, especially in the South, Midwest and West. Since cases, hospitalizations and deaths are now primarily among the unvaccinated, these groups with less vaccine uptake are most vulnerable.


I would guess that there is a strong educational component that accounts for a substantial amount of the difference as well. But we can always trust the words of the righties on the forum, like this very first response:

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Influenza is a much more deadly disease. Get your priorities straight, fearmonger.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

techno900 wrote:
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Really though, overlay the Trump map on the unvaccinated map and you have a match.


A better analysis of the vaccinations and Covid cases can be found at:

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/

It appears that those that choose to not get vaccinated is more about race than politics. And I would speculate that the high number of minorities choosing to avoid vaccination voted liberal.


Sieg Heil!
Blame the minorities and raise speculation. Just F*cking great!

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7028a2.htm

30% of the population remains unvaccinated. That would be every Black and Latino. We know more Latinos than ever voted for the Big Fat Lying Loser 45.

https://www.voanews.com/covid-19-pandemic/unvaccinated-americans-whiter-more-republican-vaccinated


Get a f*cking grip loser!
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mac



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ooh, a deserved but somewhat intemperate bitch slap for Techno. The scary thing about Techno is that he was a teacher in private schools in the south. He doesn't seem to have much of a grip on research or statistics--but will always spin to support a conservative world view.

So let's look at the data in the Bloomberg article. 12 states with cases over 50 per 100,000. The population density in California is in the south--San Bernardino county has a case rate of 14.3, Riverside 12.8, and Los Angeles 12.78. (My county, Alameda, is at 5.Cool That's right, California's high rates are about 1/4 of those southern states that--wait for it--are doing a poor job of vaccinating their white residents. There is, of course, strong correlation to the phenomenon of white evangelicals adopting Trump as their messiah--and abandoning thinking.

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A March poll by the nonprofit Public Religion Research Institute found that White evangelicals ranked highest among those who are religious and refusing to get vaccinated. Forty-five percent of White evangelicals said they would get the vaccine, the second-lowest acceptance of any religious affiliation behind Latino Protestant groups.
Washington Post, June 18

But not to worry, Hobby Lobby will let them view some stolen tablets at the bible museum. And the unvaccinated take no responsibility for spreading the disease and killing others--after all, they are just sending them to their maker.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac wrote:
Ooh, a deserved but somewhat intemperate bitch slap for Techno. The scary thing about Techno is that he was a teacher in private schools in the south. He doesn't seem to have much of a grip on research or statistics--but will always spin to support a conservative world view.

So let's look at the data in the Bloomberg article. 12 states with cases over 50 per 100,000. The population density in California is in the south--San Bernardino county has a case rate of 14.3, Riverside 12.8, and Los Angeles 12.78. (My county, Alameda, is at 5.Cool That's right, California's high rates are about 1/4 of those southern states that--wait for it--are doing a poor job of vaccinating their white residents. There is, of course, strong correlation to the phenomenon of white evangelicals adopting Trump as their messiah--and abandoning thinking.

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A March poll by the nonprofit Public Religion Research Institute found that White evangelicals ranked highest among those who are religious and refusing to get vaccinated. Forty-five percent of White evangelicals said they would get the vaccine, the second-lowest acceptance of any religious affiliation behind Latino Protestant groups.
Washington Post, June 18

But not to worry, Hobby Lobby will let them view some stolen tablets at the bible museum. And the unvaccinated take no responsibility for spreading the disease and killing others--after all, they are just sending them to their maker.


It's somewhat hard to be anything less than intemperate when addressing the increasingly crowd of small minded Republicans we see on a daily basis!

Bitch slap yes, intemperate might be be asking Jesus not to turn the other cheek.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why hasn’t Desantis been recalled?
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