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J64TWB



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I could train a baboon to sign a check.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/covid-vaccine-funded-by-trump/
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coboardhead



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Techno

This is the point both Mac and I have been making. The RNA vaccine method has been a research dream for a long time. Your wife is a physician. You are probably sick and tired of hearing about this technology over the dinner table for a decade...so maybe you quit paying attention.

https://investors.modernatx.com/news-releases/news-release-details/moderna-announces-funding-award-cepi-accelerate-development
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isobars



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I initially paid a lot of attention to the daily "Fauci and Dirx Show" on TV months ago. More recently, however, the contradictions on how to reduce its spread, how to treat individual cases, how to tell whether an individual has had Covid 19, whether and how long survivors are immune, etc. are very widespread, hotly debated among experts and laymen alike, and highly political. The entire body of knowledge on it is still in its infancy, and no one article resolves the issues definitively, so debating it here or betting our lives on such amateur sources or even on one or two epidemiologists could be deadly for anyone who acts, from masks to treatment, based on it.

I faced the same dilemmas regarding my prostate cancer, and remain convinced I have managed it damned well. Thus I will handle Covid 19 much the same way, and suggest that most other people do the same: research the hell out of it in peer-reviewed literature, listen closely and judge for yourselves which "experts" are more convincing, pick your poison carefully, and pursue it very quickly the minute you get definitive symptoms. This disease can progress from nuisance level to life-threatening overnight once it hits our lungs. I've already begun consulting with my very carefully chosen PCP about it just in case (e.g., I may have had Covid 19 last December and January. Did I, is that verifiable, am I immune, what are your current diagnosis and treatment recommendation for me if I show symptoms, etc.?) I will take his recommendations under consideration, vet them as described above, debate my findings with him if we disagree, consult specialists if and when I think I have it, and act ASAP.

Knowledge is power, preparation is a mandatory component, prevention is highly desirable but not well defined, and swift action can mean the difference between life, permanent disability, and even death even for young healthy people.

Just a few examples I'm pursuing:
I'm consulting with my various doctors almost exclusively via Zoom, telephone, and email.

I'm sure as hell not flying to LA to see my primary oncologist. I DO send him updated lab results and pay him $350 out of pocket for our monthly five-minute phone consults.

When I do leave home, I wear an N95 mask, not the nearly useless pleated paper or cotton feel-good facial decorations everyone else wears. I modified its exhalation valve so it protects others, and have it fitted tightly to my face. When I get home, I toss it in the uv convection oven ... aka over a fencepost in the sun and breeze ... to sanitize it.

When I see a doctor on TV, I unmute it and listen. Every interview is of some use, and some of these doctors have treated many hundreds of covid 19 patients and/or used HCQ for decades on tens of thousands of malaria patients (a testament to its safety). One of the former asked a top Biden's covid advisor how many covid patients he had treated.

"Um ... none."

The POTUS's doctors credit Remdesivir for his quick recovery. Other front-line doctors says that's useless, that HCQ is hands-down superior in every way for covid. I'll do my own damned homework, thank you very much, just as I did when facing similar contradictions in cancer treatment protocols.

OTOH, when the water warms up next spring, I'm ficking going windsurfing. The hell with Biden and Inslee and their highly debatable, maybe even harmful, lockdowns.
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MalibuGuru



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I obtained HCQ many months ago just in case. 2 months ago had a bad bike crash with 5 fractured ribs. Since then rehabbing and taking high dose multi vitamins every morning. Now back on Maui, working out, and losing weight. I'm convinced that vitamins and weight loss are the key to an easy fight against Covid.
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vientomas



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MalibuGuru wrote:
I obtained HCQ many months ago just in case. 2 months ago had a bad bike crash with 5 fractured ribs. Since then rehabbing and taking high dose multi vitamins every morning. Now back on Maui, working out, and losing weight. I'm convinced that vitamins and weight loss are the key to an easy fight against Covid.


OK Dr. "Guru" LOL
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isobars



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Careful with those vitamins. Most RCTs of isolated vitamin supplements have proven them not only useless but often harmful. Among many other problems with many vitamins, even modest doses of B6 and B12 have been shown to lead to "atypical femoral fractures", aka broken hips of unknown origin. Breaking a healthy hip in a person of moderate age usually requires falling off a building, getting in a significant auto collision, etc. These fractures I'm talking about Just. Freaking. Happen.

Spontaneously!

Been there, done that, consulted an orthopedic surgeon who does nothing but repair broken hips, did my own damned homework, found out (maybe) why (but not how) mine broke, and told my docs where to stick their multivitamin recommendations. Even the usual "standard doses" of those two are about 100 times the safe limits.

The government food pyramid told us to eats lots of whole grains. Then an ignorant fool and because I liked it (especially buried under a pound of fruit), I dutifully complied, for decades. Now it's been shown that the B vitamin folic acid added to cereal by government mandate causes (not merely correlates with, IIRC), of all things, prostate cancer, even in much smaller doses than I dutifully and eagerly consumed.

Experimentation (and anecdotal coincidence) often lead us down the wrong fork (or, in my case, spoon).

Excess fat is a huge risk factor for catching and dying from Covid 19. I'm deliberately shedding fat as my cancer meds directly deplete my muscle.

MalibuGuru wrote:
I obtained HCQ many months ago just in case. 2 months ago had a bad bike crash with 5 fractured ribs. Since then rehabbing and taking high dose multi vitamins every morning. Now back on Maui, working out, and losing weight. I'm convinced that vitamins and weight loss are the key to an easy fight against Covid.


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wsurfer



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MalibuGuru wrote:
I obtained HCQ many months ago just in case. 2 months ago had a bad bike crash with 5 fractured ribs. Since then rehabbing and taking high dose multi vitamins every morning. Now back on Maui, working out, and losing weight. I'm convinced that vitamins and weight loss are the key to an easy fight against Covid.


Dude, based on your recent posts there is the possibility you may have also had some brain damage from your crash.
You better have that checked out!!!

Fat Boy Donny used neither weight loss nor vitamins, just the best doctors the taxpayers could provide at Walter Reed.

Not from Malibu
Not a Guru


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coboardhead



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MalibuGuru wrote:
I obtained HCQ many months ago just in case. 2 months ago had a bad bike crash with 5 fractured ribs. Since then rehabbing and taking high dose multi vitamins every morning. Now back on Maui, working out, and losing weight. I'm convinced that vitamins and weight loss are the key to an easy fight against Covid.


Ultra marathoner who worked with my wife dead at 36.
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swchandler



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bard, I've been losing weight for some time now. About 23lbs since mid-February, but I could lose even more to get back to my perfect weight.

Where did you start, and what's the lay of the land right now?

Needless to say, we're all battling the clock and doomed to getting older. Getting hurt later in life makes everything about recovering so much tougher.
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MalibuGuru



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

swchandler wrote:
Bard, I've been losing weight for some time now. About 23lbs since mid-February, but I could lose even more to get back to my perfect weight.

Where did you start, and what's the lay of the land right now?

Needless to say, we're all battling the clock and doomed to getting older. Getting hurt later in life makes everything about recovering so much tougher.


SWC, yes, so true. But now I'm on a roll. Beet juice and multi vitamins every morning. I'm no longer hungry. Just eat to survive. I still heal pretty quick. Back to biking 10 miles in the mountains 3 days a week. Windsurfing has gotten more difficult in the nuclear winds though. Spoke with Pete Cabrinha this morning. Boy is he in shape for 60.
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