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swchandler



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

isobars, based on your last post I'm getting a glimpse that you might be seeing the troubling picture we are facing right now. I can only hope that you don't lose sight of that.

We all know by now that the VA failed you in the past based on what you've often said, but hopefully you now see that a more credible and scientific approach to the serious coronavirus pandemic is the right path as we move into the future.

Don't let Donald Trump be your guide.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/state-legislature-candidate-who-died-of-covid-19-apparently-won-his-election/ar-BB1aHvLz?ocid=msedgntp


State legislature candidate who died of COVID-19 apparently won his election

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With all the information out there about the virus, from all sources, everyone is capable of making their own choices. Some will be good and some bad. There will always be some risk assuming you actually leave your home, but that can be mitigated by your choices when leaving.

Local, state or federal mandates will have little impact on my choices other than some places that I go may be closed again. The biggest impact for me would be the community fitness center where I work out. Never more than a half dozen people, all with masks. Also the pool where one swimmer per lane is the limit. Everyone gets a temperature check before entering the facility.

Hopefully, I will be skiing in late winter in Colorado, maybe with a shot of a vaccine.

I know that I put myself at some risk with the things that I do, including golf and windsurfing, but I hold no one responsible if things take a turn for the worse, except myself.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

techno900 wrote:
With all the information out there about the virus, from all sources, everyone is capable of making their own choices. Some will be good and some bad. There will always be some risk assuming you actually leave your home, but that can be mitigated by your choices when leaving.

Local, state or federal mandates will have little impact on my choices other than some places that I go may be closed again. The biggest impact for me would be the community fitness center where I work out. Never more than a half dozen people, all with masks. Also the pool where one swimmer per lane is the limit. Everyone gets a temperature check before entering the facility.

Hopefully, I will be skiing in late winter in Colorado, maybe with a shot of a vaccine.

I know that I put myself at some risk with the things that I do, including golf and windsurfing, but I hold no one responsible if things take a turn for the worse, except myself.


Plus. If you fall, skiing, there is always Medicare (per the taxpayer) to fix you up. And, the ride to the hospital might well be subsidized by my property taxes for the emergency services.
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isobars



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

swchandler wrote:
isobars, based on your last post I'm getting a glimpse that you might be seeing the troubling picture we are facing right now. I can only hope that you don't lose sight of that.

We all know by now that the VA failed you in the past based on what you've often said, but hopefully you now see that a more credible and scientific approach to the serious coronavirus pandemic is the right path as we move into the future.

Don't let Donald Trump be your guide.

Trump never was my coronavirus guide despite his dependency on the science and his OBLIGATION to the nation to balance the two threats of disease and isolation. As with him, my (our) guide(s) were the science as presented by Fauci and Birx. Now that Fauci changes his mind with every change in the wind and even though Birx is 100% doom and gloom, unless and until I catch Covid 19, I am infinitely more concerned about the way our nation is headed if the socialists and fascists (Bernie and the Squad) win this election and take the Senate. Just as with global warming alarmism, the world's leading scientists and epidemiologists disagree 180 degrees about lockdowns, treatments, comparisons with influenza, etc. The pandemic has not of yet had a significant impact on my daily life ... certainly not 1% as much impact as the whole season's closure due to storm damage of my favorite sailing site. If Biden and his frightening crew win the White House and the Senate and keep their own published campaign threats ... er, ... promises ... even 10% as well as Trump has, we are all phuct, Covid or no Covid. THAT'S by far the most troubling part of my -- and even though you don't you realize it, YOUR -- future.

I'm (maybe invalidly) optimistic enough about my health to have ordered a new quiver of sails last week. I am FAR less optimistic about any state of the union speech mumbled by Biden or presented by Harris once they end THAT pretense.

I've done all I can to influence this election: I voted, and at least for a while I presented and supported facts and opinions about the candidates. The most stupefying aspect of this week has been the jaw-dropping realization that there are 70 million people in the nation STUPID enough to vote for Biden and The Squad despite what they've THREATENED IN WRITING to do to this country. BEING a communist, socialist, anarchist, or fascist is legal; ACTING on it to the detriment of the rest of the nation and thus the world should be (and IS, is many regards such as rioting, destroying duly summoned government emails and phone records, perjury, weaponizing government agencies in attempts to overthrow the elected head of that government) are criminal offenses. If a Republican president had done any of those, s/he should and would be in prison.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

coboardhead wrote:
If you fall, skiing, there is always Medicare (per the taxpayer) to fix you up. And, the ride to the hospital might well be subsidized by my property taxes for the emergency services.

I pay and have paid for my four-deep insurance coverages, and they STILL leave me hanging to the tune of thousands of dollars and countless hundreds of hours of time fighting them.

And, BTW ... not only AM I one of those taxpayers, but until recently (like every other veteran) paid in cash almost 100% of any VA disability compensation I managed to get for service-connected maladies.

No, thanks. I've tried both systems, and I'd rather live in a nation where I can pick and choose my own medical insurance. Besides, that's peanuts compared to what Free Everything for Anybody In The World, as promised on camera and in writing by this insane crew, will cost me and you.
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mrgybe



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

coboardhead wrote:
Plus. If you fall, skiing, there is always Medicare (per the taxpayer) to fix you up. And, the ride to the hospital might well be subsidized by my property taxes for the emergency services.

What a ridiculous comment.
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mac



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

240,000 dead from a disease that gybe compared to the flu. Nearly 120,000 new cases yesterday, 122,000 new cases today. What a ridiculous comment “what a ridiculous comment” really is.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2020 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/us-counties-showing-the-worst-surge-of-covid-19-cases-overwhelmingly-voted-for-trump-in-this-year-s-election/ar-BB1aK0E2?ocid=msedgntp


US counties showing the worst surge of COVID-19 cases overwhelmingly voted for Trump in this year's election


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Trump won the majority of votes in more than 90% of the 376 US counties with the highest number of new COVID-19 cases per capita.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

coboardhead said:
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Plus. If you fall, skiing, there is always Medicare (per the taxpayer) to fix you up. And, the ride to the hospital might well be subsidized by my property taxes for the emergency services.

Since it was my post that you commented on, I feel obligated to respond too.

I paid into Medicare for 42 years of my employment history, plus the last 10 years of retirement. Medicare isn't free. Will my benefits in retirement exceed what I have paid into the system? Likely yes at some point, so it's possible that other taxpayers could support my medical needs.

The issue at hand is "Medicare for All". How much should the "free" medical coverage cost the individuals that would be enrolled, if the liberals are able to push through the program at some point?

I paid thousands and thousands to the government for my "free" Medicare and continue to do so. So, what about those that could enter the system without any prepayments? Doesn't seem fair to me.
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