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vientomas
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What's he hiding?
Gordon Sondland, the U.S. Ambassador to the European Union who had a starring role in President Trump’s anti-Biden crusade in Ukraine, reportedly communicated privately with Ukrainian officials over WhatsApp for months before the now infamous July 25 call between Trump and the Ukrainian president that sparked an impeachment inquiry.
According to sources cited by The Washington Post late Saturday, Sondland was busy texting on WhatsApp with Andriy Yermak, a top aide to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, during his trip to Kyiv in late July—the same trip where he was overheard offering Trump reassurances that Zelensky would do “the investigation” and, in fact, “anything” Trump asked for just a day after the July 25 call.
Sondland is said to have used the messaging app for discussions with other Ukrainian officials as well, for months both before the July visit and after, according to the Post. It was not immediately clear who else was included on the messages.
Those messages have apparently evaded scrutiny in the impeachment probe, as the State Department has reportedly refused to turn them over despite a subpoena from the House Foreign Affairs, Intelligence and Oversight committees.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/gordon-sondland-spent-months-messaging-ukrainian-officials-on-whatsapp-before-july-25-call-wapo |
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| Of course, after all of their hysteria over Hillary's private server, all of the Trump political officials have used secure communication devices and saved their messages. Ya think? |
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real-human
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| Quote: | | A MAJOR WhatsApp hack may have exposed the private messages and photos of 1.5billion users – and there may be no way to find out if you were affected. The Sun understands that it's difficult, and potentially impossible, for users (and Facebook itself) to make sure they weren't hacked.May 15, 2019 |
edited to add, but that is OK, the russians will not divulge those conversations because trump is their lap dog already.
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vientomas
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| mac wrote: | | Of course, after all of their hysteria over Hillary's private server, all of the Trump political officials have used secure communication devices and saved their messages. Ya think? |
I can hear Maddy chanting from across the country: "Lock him up! Lock him up! Lock him up!" Yeah right...  |
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real-human
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If I remember one of the impeachment crimes about clinton was he new people were lying and did not make them come clean to that effect.
Well trump new Sondland was lying when he said he did not recall any conversations with trump about Ukraine and such when testifying.
as we know Sondland later changed his congressional testimony when the people around him would not lie to cover up his lies. In essence Sondland lied to congress no question about it and should be going to jail.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/watergate-prosecutor-donald-trump-toast_n_5dd3aa81e4b082dae813716b
| Quote: | | Watergate Prosecutor Predicts The Moment This Week That Donald Trump Will Be ‘Toast’ |
Nick Akerman says an upcoming public hearing in the impeachment inquiry against Trump will prove pivotal.
| Quote: | “Sondland is going to come out and tell the whole story,” he predicted. “He’s going to detail it, he’s going to have documents to detail it, you’ve got lots of witnesses corroborating it.”
“I mean there’s no question that they were trying to get the Ukrainian government to announce an investigation into (former Vice President) Joe Biden,” Akerman added. “And using money as appropriated by the U.S. Congress to do that. Pure bribery.”
Sondland will testify on Wednesday morning. He has already walked back his initial closed-door claim that he didn’t recall any discussions about Ukraine announcing an investigation into the Bidens allegedly in exchange for withheld military aid.
Akerman said Sondland has “got no choice here” but to “come clean” about his role and Trump.
“Otherwise he’s gonna wind up like Roger Stone in federal prison, with Roger Stone as his roommate. I mean, he does not want that to happen,” Akerman explained, referencing the GOP strategist and longtime Trump associate who was on Friday found guilty on seven charges relating to lying to investigators probing Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.
Stone will be sentenced next year.
“If I were his lawyer, I would be sitting on him pretty hard and making sure that he told everything he knew, every truthful bit of evidence just to make sure he doesn’t go down for Donald Trump,” Akerman, referring to Sondland, added. |
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now he was claiming he is the victim how was he supose to know burisma had to to with Biden.
well we know he is lying, but more importantly if he did not know he is just too stupid to be in a postion of responsibility.
If this was a dem changing their testimony there is no doubt the right wing would demand the person to be locked up. agin he could not remeber any talks with trump about Urkraine. But sever people came forward and well we have heard their stories and for him to not have remembered these well as grand as they were it is impossible unless he was reagans age with dimention like reagan had.
He should be charged and locked up. we need to set examples of clear liars about national security.
https://news.yahoo.com/maloney-hammers-sondland-on-changing-testimony-and-extracts-key-concession-215221460.html
Maloney hammers Sondland on changing testimony — and extracts key concession
| Quote: | In a tense exchange at Wednesday’s impeachment hearing of President Trump, Rep. Sean Patrick Maloney, D-N.Y., grilled Gordon Sondland, U.S. ambassador to the European Union, over his changing testimony on what he understood about Trump’s motivation in seeking an investigation of former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter.
“Who would benefit from an investigation of the Bidens?” Maloney asked after an extended back-and-forth with Sondland on that point.
“I assume President Trump would benefit —” Sondland said.
“There we have it!” Maloney interrupted. “See? Didn’t hurt a bit, did it? Didn’t hurt a bit. But let me ask you something —”
It was then Sondland’s turn to interrupt. “Mr. Maloney —”
“Hold on, sir,” Maloney responded.
“Excuse me, I’ve been very forthright and I really resent what you’re trying to do —”
“Fair enough. You’ve been very forthright. This is your third try to do so, sir,” Maloney said, referencing Sondland’s original deposition last month, which he subsequently amended after transcripts were released of additional testimony that contradicted it on some points. “Didn’t work so well the first time, did it? We had a little declaration come in after, do you remember that? And now we’re here a third time and we’ve got a doozy of a statement from you this morning. There’s a whole bunch of stuff that you don’t recall, so all due respect, sir, we appreciate your candor, but let’s be really clear on what it took to get it out of you.”
Rep. Sean Patrick Maloney, D-N.Y., questions Gordon Sondland, U.S. ambassador to the European Union. (Photo: Andrew Harnik/AP)
Rep. Sean Patrick Maloney, D-N.Y., questions Gordon Sondland, U.S. ambassador to the European Union. (Photo: Andrew Harnik/AP)
Sondland offered no response.
“So my question is, when the president is putting pressure on the Ukrainians, withholding a meeting to get this investigation that you and I agree would benefit him politically, what kind of position does that put the Ukrainians in, sir?”
“A terrible position,” Sondland replied.
“A terrible position. Why?” Maloney pressed.
“Well, obviously they’re not receiving ultimately what they thought was coming to them, and they’re put in a position that jeopardizes their security,” Sondland answered.
Maloney then hammered home the Democrats’ argument that Trump had engaged in bribery by conditioning the release of military aid on the investigation of Biden.
“A position that jeopardizes their security, and they’re being asked to do an investigation to help their security, essentially, that would benefit the president politically. In other words, you might say they’re being asked to give him a personal benefit in exchange for an official act. Is that a fair summary?”
“In your hypothetical, that’s correct,” Sondland responded.
“It’s not a hypothetical, sir,” Maloney said. “This is real life.” |
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/impeachment-hearing-testimony-sondland-volker_n_5dd6bca4e4b0fc53f20fa67c
Why Should Anyone Believe Gordon Sondland Didn’t Connect Burisma To Biden?
Does the EU ambassador read the news?
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| I don't even need to expose any of Dean's one-man self-debate here to assume Sondland is a liar simply because he declared emphatically that he knew of no crime nor any other impeachable offenses Trump had committed. "Everybody knows" that Republicans are guilty until proven innocent by a jury of Democrats and Judge Schiff. |
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| isobars wrote: | | I don't even need to expose any of xxx's one-man self-debate here to assume Sondland is a liar simply because he declared emphatically that he knew of no crime nor any other impeachable offenses Trump had committed. "Everybody knows" that Republicans are guilty until proven innocent by a jury of Democrats and Judge Schiff. |
awe hit a nerve I see you pathetic low life coward troll of a leach on society.
so you McVeigh like your hero because you can not counter any of the points I have posted that are linked to among things testimony and analysis of people like former prosecutors. Go cry like the victim you are playing to your mommy. Do not blow up a federal building with children in it like your hero cry baby so called victim did.
moron he said he did not know of any conversations about Urkraine with trump when they were plentyfull and he even received a not text from a top elevel person was it ating ambassidor asking if he got it right that it was essentially extortion to get a meeting and or the funds and sonland did not reply for 5 hours and then they were lawyered up wording. And again he claimed he did not know what was going on . He was in direct contact with Trump even on that message. He was well aware of the illegal activities as he got lawyered up responses. Those were what months before the tesimony where he did not remeber any conversations about Urkraine. He even isnisted that no more texting was to be done b, we know this is so there is no record. You and yours are just such scum of the earth.
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