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coachg



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:11 pm    Post subject: Light Wind Option for joethewindsufa Reply with quote

Joe,

The German Surf Magazine recently had a comparison article on light wind boards. They compared a long board, race board, large freeride, light wind slalom, formula, freeride foil & performance foil. The one board they didn't test that could have been put on the list was a foiling long board like the Slingshot Flyer 280. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Tfuj3aPEfc

The categories they listed was ideal sail range, ideal wind range, useful wind range, passive planing speeds, active pump to plane speeds along with pros & cons of each board. Obviously the categories can be different based on sailor size, ability & location. For example, I go down to a 9.2 on my formula setup. My freeride foil setup Naish Hover 122 & Thrust foil lifts at 9 knts in passive planing based on the Gopro GPS. I'm sure other sailors will have varied experiences.

For longboard they used the Windsurfer LT
Ideal sail: 4-7.5
Passive Planing: 14 knt
Active Pump: 11 Knt
Ideal wind range: 5-15 knt
Wind range: 2-20 knt
Pro: Easy to control, large wind range, versatile in light wind.
Con: Very big, not a very sporty ride when compared to freeride or raceboard.

The raceboard they used was the Starboard Phantom Race
Ideal Sail: 7.5-9.5
Passive Planing: 12 knts
Active Pump: 8-9 knts
Ideal Wind Range: 4-18 knts
Wind Range: 2-23 knts
Pro: Top performance in light wind, super great for touring
Con: Very big, expensive, complicated

For XL Freeride board they used the Tabou Rocket 145 Carbon
Ideal Sail: 6.0-8.5
Passive Planing: 13 knts
Active Pump: 11 knts
Ideal Wind Range: 11-23 knts
Wind Range: 7-25 knts
Pro: Easy to control & jibe, large range
Con: Not maximally optimized for non-planing performance

For light wind slalom they used the Fanatic Falcon Lightwind 159
Ideal Sail Range: 7.8-9.5
Passive Planing: 12 knts
Active Pump: 9-10 knts
Ideal Wind Range: 10-20 Knts
Wind Range: 9-22 knts
Pro:Good glide, easy control, optional foil ability
Con: Top speed not on the level of slalom raceboards

For formula they used the Fantic Falcon Formula 172
Ideal Sail Range: 10-12.5
Passive Planing: 11 knts
Active Pump: 8 knts
Ideal Wind range: 8-15 knts
Wind Range: 7-17 knts
Pro:Sporty & fast already from 8 knts
Con: Physically exhausting to sail & handling on the water

For freeride foil they used the Neil Pryde Glyde with JP Foil 131
Sail Range: 4.8-6.4
Passive Planing: 10-11 knts
Active Pump: 7-8 knts
Ideal Wind Range: 7-15 knts
Wind Range: 7-20 knts
Pro: Early lift, easy to control, no big sails needed
Con: Very large wing &Limited top speed

For performance foil they used the Slingshot Wizard 125 plus Slingshot Ghost Whisper 101
Ideal Sail Range: 5.5-7.5
Passive Planing: 11 Knts
Active Pump: 9 knts
Pro: Early Lift, fast in little wind, no large sails needed
Con: None

I hope this will help you on your quest for Canadian light wind sailing.

Coachg
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dllee



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very good comparison.
I suspect the lightest breeze planing setup to be a light Formula coupled to a 2000 ccm foil and an active rider.
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willysp



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you, Coach, for the info. Do you have by any chance the link to the original article?
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coachg



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the Sept. issue.

https://www.surf-magazin.de/news/surf-9-2019


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joethewindsufa



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks Coach !!

that will definitely go on the joe windsurfer blog !!

two Sundays ago I was out on a Shark 145 HRS with a SpeedFreak 8.5
three people were out windfoiling with sails around 4 meters !!
and i thought one only goes down 2 meters !!

ich kann aber nicht denn Artikel finden oder "downloaden" Sad
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coachg



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is why I posted the stats instead of the link.

Coachg
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gregnw44



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks coachg for posting this interesting article. As you said, different sailors will have different results. I wonder if they came up with these opinions using lighter weight sailors... most every option was passive planning in about 11-12 knots. (The Windsurfer LT would've also been passive planning in about 12 knots if they used a 9.5 race sail, like they used with the Phantom, instead of a little 7.5m sail).

Speaking of sail sizes - this is supposed to be about light wind sailing options. So why didn't they use bigger sails? Every option they list could use a bigger sail, except the formula board. And if they used bigger sails in light wind, they would go a bit faster... especially for bigger guys like me.
Windsurfer LT's are 230L and over 12' long with a great daggerboard... I only sail mine with 9 to 11.5m sails. Same with the Phantom.
And regarding Joe in Montreal - he and I have chatted before, and Joe has more summer wind than I have in Seattle summer-time.
Anyway, everyone here uses BIG sails - on longboards, formula boards and windfoil boards. The average sail size that me and most the active locals are foiling with, is 9m.
This is the result of ALWAYS being in wind from 2 to 10 knots... it's almost never more than that, all summer long.
Yes you can use a small sail on any of these options and practice light wind free-style... and that's great once in a while. But if you want to lean back in a harness and cruise around exploring / let the sail do the work, and use your body (harness) for cruising and not hold the sail up with your arms, shoulders and back... then, you'll use a bigger sail.
I'd guess the examples they gave are for a 150 lb person (expert skills) sailing in wind from 10-20 most the time. And I'm way bigger than that, sailing in much lighter wind... so therefore the article gives an interesting comparison, but the stats would be wrong for me.
Greg Smile

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wsatl



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:45 am    Post subject: Re: Light Wind Option for joethewindsufa Reply with quote

coachg wrote:

For performance foil they used the Slingshot Wizard 125 plus Slingshot Ghost Whisper 101
Ideal Sail Range: 5.5-7.5
Passive Planing: 11 Knts
Active Pump: 9 knts
Pro: Early Lift, fast in little wind, no large sails needed
Con: None

Coachg


Good list but one very big quibble. They chose this for the "performance" foil? Did they chose it because SS bought ad space? It's good kit to be sure but if you wanted to get off the water early with good freeride kit, there are a ton of other options out there that will get off the water sooner, including the AFS 85/95 and Loke LK1 with 1100/1200 wings or even the Starboard Al Freeride. Getting a 125 off the water for passive sailing is a lot more difficult for the avg guy than the plethora of choices 135 and above.

This is an idea of what the Exocet RF81/Loke LK1 does under an 85kg rider:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OMl37881HA

I"m 70 kg, ride a 1000cm freerace wing with a 7.7 and those numbers are, to put it kindly, "off". Very Happy
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NOVAAN



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amazing in such lite wind. That guy makes turns look effort less...
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wsatl



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NOVAAN wrote:
Amazing in such lite wind. That guy makes turns look effort less...


Glad you enjoyed the vid. He can help with turns, too Smile
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_MMlT98ReI

His videos over the last year show his progression from struggling to make them, succeeding and then doing a tutorial.
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