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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd like to see Pelosi's taxes.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there some evidence she paid off two women and hid the payment?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's my prediction. When the grand jury in New York finds evidence that the Trump business reimbursed Michael Cohen for paying off Stormy Daniels, and perhaps many others, and coded those payments as business expenses, thereby violating both tax and campaign laws, Matty will describe it as not a crime. Mrgybe will move the goalposts. Techno will post something about California. All will deny that their continued support for Trump has anything to do with white nationalism. All will be surprised that nobody believes them.

This is exactly what Michael Cohen testified to.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jpbassman wrote:
I'd like to see Pelosi's taxes.

So would many small countries.

Wonder how much she'd favor Biden/AOC/etc. if her walls were razed and her security forces defunded.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Soooooo, who's gonna decide whether Trump's tax returns are legal ... the IRS? Pelosi? Schumer? Schiff? BIDEN, fergoshssakes? Al Capone?

Got bad news for you:
The IRS has audited and approved his returns for many years, long before he had any power.

Maybe he DIDN'T pay any taxes some years. THAT'S PERFECTLY LEGAL if there are offsetting losses, and he lost his ass some years.

Maybe he hasn't donated much to your (collective "your") favorite charity. So freaking what? Many, probably most, very rich politicians donate squat, near squat, or to groups half the nation abhors anyway.

Everyone KNOWS this is nothing more than an undisguised witch hunt seeking minutiae even the IRS doesn't give a damn about ... ANYTHING to taint the election.

Pelosi, who will be running the country with ... gulp! ... AOC if The Biden Puppet Show gets elected, refuses to release her returns. (Yeah, THAT Pelosi ... the freak who dismisses rioting and destruction of public property as "what they do".)


what a dumb f low level thinker you are. The same people who evaluate all the tax returns that all the other presidentail candidates have shown in the past what 60 years.

remember you right wingers even demanded a independent counsel to investigate Jimmy Carters peanut farm because you believed though he put it in a blind trust he was making too much money from his peanut farm. and that was over peanuts. and the dems gave you the right wing partisan investigation with unlimited funding..

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

isobars wrote:
Soooooo, who's gonna decide whether Trump's tax returns are legal ... the IRS? Pelosi? Schumer? Schiff? BIDEN, fergoshssakes? Al Capone?

Got bad news for you:
The IRS has audited and approved his returns for many years, long before he had any power.

Maybe he DIDN'T pay any taxes some years. THAT'S PERFECTLY LEGAL if there are offsetting losses, and he lost his ass some years.

Maybe he hasn't donated much to your (collective "your") favorite charity. So freaking what? Many, probably most, very rich politicians donate squat, near squat, or to groups half the nation abhors anyway.

Everyone KNOWS this is nothing more than an undisguised witch hunt seeking minutiae even the IRS doesn't give a damn about ... ANYTHING to taint the election.

Pelosi, who will be running the country with ... gulp! ... AOC if The Biden Puppet Show gets elected, refuses to release her returns. (Yeah, THAT Pelosi ... the freak who dismisses rioting and destruction of public property as "what they do".)


what a dumb f low level thinker you are. The same people who evaluate all the tax returns that all the other presidential candidates have shown in the past what 60 years.

remember you right wingers even demanded a independent counsel to investigate Jimmy Carters peanut farm because you believed though he put it in a blind trust he was making too much money from his peanut farm. and that was over peanuts. and the dems gave you the right wing partisan investigation with unlimited funding..

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Manhattan district attorney’s office suggested for the first time that it’s investigating President Trump and his company for possible fraud.
Monday, August 3, 2020 12:48 PM EST


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The office of the district attorney, Cyrus R. Vance Jr., suggested that it has been investigating President Trump and his company for possible bank and insurance fraud, a significantly broader inquiry than the prosecutors have acknowledged in the past.


https://finance.yahoo.com/news/prosecutor-seeking-trumps-taxes-cites-171546052.html


Prosecutor seeking Trump's taxes cites probe of his business


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NEW YORK (AP) — A Manhattan prosecutor trying to get President Donald Trump’s tax returns told a judge Monday that he was justified in demanding them, citing public reports of “extensive and protracted criminal conduct at the Trump Organization.”

Trump’s lawyers last month said the grand jury subpoena for the tax returns was issued in bad faith and amounted to harassment of the president.

Manhattan District Attorney District Attorney Cyrus R. Vance, Jr. seeks eight years of the Republican president’s personal and corporate tax records, but has disclosed little about what prompted him to request the records, other than part of the investigation relates to payoffs to women to keep them quiet about alleged affairs with Trump.

In a court filing Monday, though, attorneys for Vance said Trump's arguments that the subpoena was too broad stemmed from “the false premise” that the probe was limited to so-called “hush-money” payments.

“This Court is already aware that this assertion is fatally undermined by undisputed information in the public record,” Vance’s lawyers wrote. They said that information confirms the validity of a subpoena seeking evidence related to potentially improper financial transactions by a variety of individuals and entities over a period of years.

They said public reporting demonstrates that at the time the subpoena was issued “there were public allegations of possible criminal activity at Plaintiff’s New York County-based Trump Organization dating back over a decade.”

“These reports describe transactions involving individual and corporate actors based in New York County, but whose conduct at times extended beyond New York’s borders. This possible criminal activity occurred within the applicable statutes of limitations, particularly if the transactions involved a continuing pattern of conduct,” the lawyers said.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What taxes?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

about time,,,

https://news.yahoo.com/ny-attorney-general-asks-judge-203235007.html


NY Attorney General asks judge to order Trump son's testimony


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New York's top prosecutor on Monday asked a judge to order Donald Trump's son Eric to testify in a probe into the Trump Organization's financial dealings.

According to court documents, the Trump Organization -- the Republican billionaire president's real estate group -- for months has stonewalled the investigation into allegations the company falsified asset values on its financial statements.

New York's Attorney General Letitia James launched the inquiry in March 2019 after Michael Cohen, Trump's former personal lawyer and fixer, testified before Congress that the company had inflated assets when seeking loans, while deflating them to pay less in real estate tax.

According to James' office the Trump Organization has refused to comply with seven subpoenas linked to the investigation that would provide prosecutors with a trove of documents and witnesses.

Eric Trump, who works as the group's executive vice president, has refused to testify under oath "despite his being an important character in certain transactions," the attorney general's office said.

"For months, the Trump Organization has made baseless claims in an effort to shield evidence from a lawful investigation into its financial dealings," James said in a statement.

"They have stalled, withheld documents, and instructed witnesses, including Eric Trump, to refuse to answer questions under oath."

The announcement comes on the day Trump opened his bid for a second term, accepting the Republican nomination at the party's convention.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://news.yahoo.com/did-trump-overvalue-properties-heres-190350739.html


Did Trump Overvalue His Properties? Here's What We Know About the Inquiry


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Over the years, Donald Trump and his company have placed widely different values on the Seven Springs estate.

The sprawling property north of New York City was purchased for $7.5 million in 1995. But by 2014, the Trump Organization said it was worth $291 million, in financial documents its officers prepared when they were seeking a bank loan. Four years later, on Trump’s ethics disclosure form, it was listed as being worth no more than $50 million.

That property and three others have become a focus of an investigation by the New York state attorney general’s office into whether the president and the Trump Organization improperly inflated the value of his holdings, making false representations to banks or on tax forms.

This week, the investigation drew new attention after the attorney general, Letitia James, went to court to force Eric Trump, the president’s son and executive vice president of the Trump Organization, to answer questions under oath.

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James is also seeking to compel the Trump Organization to turn over thousands of documents to her office, which is examining potential violations of civil, rather than criminal, law.

Here’s what we know so far about the attorney general’s investigation.

It began with Trump’s lawyer

The investigation started after Michael Cohen, Trump’s former personal lawyer and fixer, testified to Congress in February of last year that Trump and his employees manipulated his net worth to suit his interests.

Cohen, who had broken with his old boss and had pleaded guilty to tax evasion, campaign finance violations and bank fraud, also provided the House Oversight Committee with documents he said backed up his claims.

“It was my experience that Mr. Trump inflated his total assets when it served his purposes, such as trying to be listed among the wealthiest people in Forbes, and deflated his assets to reduce his real estate taxes,” Cohen said in his testimony.

The next month, the attorney general’s office issued subpoenas to Deutsche Bank and Investors Bank. Court documents made public this week said the office was investigating whether the president and the Trump Organization “improperly inflated the value of Trump’s assets on annual financial statements in order to secure loans and obtain economic and tax benefits.”

Four properties are being examined

At least four of the president’s properties are under scrutiny, according to new court papers.

They include the Trump International Hotel and Tower in Chicago, where one of the lenders, Fortress Credit Corp., forgave more than $100 million worth of debt in 2012. The Trump Organization has refused to turn over records establishing whether it reported the forgiven debt as income, as is typically required.

Investigators are also looking at the 212-acre Seven Springs estate in Westchester County, New York, on which Trump originally said he hoped to develop a golf course or luxury homes.

He valued the estate at $291 million on his 2012 balance sheet, and in financial records presented to Deutsche Bank, when he was seeking to buy the Buffalo Bills in 2014.

But locals blocked his development plans, and Trump eventually claimed a $21 million tax break after agreeing to conserve much of the land. In a 2018 federal ethics filing, he said it was worth no more than $50 million.

The Trump Organization used a similar tax strategy at another property being scrutinized, the Trump National Golf Club, Los Angeles, where it also claimed a large tax break after agreeing to conserve some land.

Some of the court documents released this week remain redacted or sealed, and many details of the investigation remain secret. But financial records related to a skyscraper at 40 Wall St. in Lower Manhattan are also being reviewed, the papers said.

In 2012, Trump valued the building at $527 million. That year, The Wall Street Journal reported the property was worth about $400 million, based on sales of comparable properties.

Pushing up valuations

After abandoning plans to turn Seven Springs into a golf club, The Trump Organization turned to its longtime lawyer, Sheri Dillon of Morgan, Lewis & Bockius, to “quarterback” a tax maneuver, the attorney general’s office said in court papers.

She oversaw an effort to get the highest possible valuation on the land, so the company could increase the size of the tax break it sought in exchange for agreeing to conserve a large part of the property.

Dillon retained Cushman & Wakefield, a real estate services firm, to do an assessment of the estate, but the Trump Organization was not happy with the result.

Dillon told Cushman that “the client blew up at her,” according to the filings. She began pressuring the appraisers to take steps that would push the value up, asking them, for instance, to restore earlier valuations made on a series of lots.

Cushman pushed back, writing: “We’ve been over these issues and there is no point in dredging them up again. It’s time to agree to disagree and move on.”

Dillon also told another lawyer at her firm to ask Cushman’s experts to backdate their appraisal, which one Cushman employee balked at, “citing her obligations under appraisers’ professional standards.”

The Trump Organization says it’s all politics

The Trump Organization has dismissed the attorney general’s investigation as baseless and politically motivated. James, a Democrat, has made no secret of her fierce opposition to Trump’s presidency and has sued his administration repeatedly.

Eric Trump released a statement on Twitter that said James “has pledged to take my father down from the moment she ran for office.”

“This is the highest level of prosecutorial misconduct,” he added.

But James has defended her actions, saying in a statement on Monday that the “Trump Organization has stalled, withheld documents, and instructed witnesses, including Eric Trump, to refuse to answer questions under oath.”

Is this a criminal investigation?

No, but it could become one.

The current inquiry is examining whether civil laws that prohibit deceptive business practices were violated, or if there were other fraudulent or illegal acts.

The attorney general’s office has broad power to conduct such investigations, including compelling people to answer questions under oath and to provide documents and other evidence.

In the filing made public on Monday, lawyers for the attorney general’s office said they have not yet determined if any laws have been violated.

If they do find evidence, they can file a lawsuit against The Trump Organization, Trump, his son Eric, or other entities they control, seeking fines or restitution. They can also ask a judge to bar Trump and his company from continuing to violate laws.

But if the attorney general’s office finds evidence of possible criminal conduct, it can turn that evidence over to another law enforcement agency for investigation. And in certain circumstances, the governor can authorize the office to open its own criminal investigation.

Is the Manhattan district attorney also investigating this?

No, but the Manhattan district attorney, Cyrus Vance, is conducting a separate criminal investigation and has suggested in court filings that he is examining possible financial crimes and insurance fraud by the president and his company.

Last month, the U.S. Supreme Court issued two rulings that cleared the way for Vance’s office to seek the president’s tax returns, though the president continues to fight the subpoena for his financial records in the lower courts on new grounds.

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