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coboardhead
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:03 am Post subject: |
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mat-ty wrote: | vientomas wrote: | nw30 wrote: | Just a little reminder |
Just a little reminder...it's seldom all dems or all repubs doing anything:
House vote on bill:
REPUBLICAN Yes 145 No 90
DEMOCRATIC Yes 111 No 77
Senate vote on bill:
REPUBLICAN Yes 25 No 23
DEMOCRATIC Yes 38 No 8
I could just as easily say: "Repubs voted against wall between Syria and Jordan." |
All DEMS ARE AGAINST a wall on OUR southern border.. Are you brain dead to the glaring hypocrisy????????????????? |
Matty. This isn't about a wall or not a wall. This is about immigration reform which both parties have been trying to resolve for years.
In case you haven't noticed. Trump, pretty much unilaterally, nixed the DACA program. This is a major sticking point for the Democrats and they are looking to get southern border security and immigration reform addressed at one time. This makes sense to me.
I have never heard a single person I know who is against the wall discuss the morality of the wall. It is more discussing the efficacy of a wall in the larger context of immigration retorm, border security and trade agreements. |
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mat-ty
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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coboardhead wrote: | mat-ty wrote: | vientomas wrote: | nw30 wrote: | Just a little reminder |
Just a little reminder...it's seldom all dems or all repubs doing anything:
House vote on bill:
REPUBLICAN Yes 145 No 90
DEMOCRATIC Yes 111 No 77
Senate vote on bill:
REPUBLICAN Yes 25 No 23
DEMOCRATIC Yes 38 No 8
I could just as easily say: "Repubs voted against wall between Syria and Jordan." |
All DEMS ARE AGAINST a wall on OUR southern border.. Are you brain dead to the glaring hypocrisy????????????????? |
Matty. This isn't about a wall or not a wall. This is about immigration reform which both parties have been trying to resolve for years.
In case you haven't noticed. Trump, pretty much unilaterally, nixed the DACA program. This is a major sticking point for the Democrats and they are looking to get southern border security and immigration reform addressed at one time. This makes sense to me.
I have never heard a single person I know who is against the wall discuss the morality of the wall. It is more discussing the efficacy of a wall in the larger context of immigration retorm, border security and trade agreements. |
Tell that to these 4 families who RECENTLY lost their love ones.
And please spare me the moronic liberal response....THEY COMMIT LESS CRIMES THAN US CITIZENS.
https://nypost.com/2019/01/22/illegal-immigrant-arrested-for-killing-four-in-month-long-span/ |
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boggsman1
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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Matty, its not a response. Its a fact. |
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mat-ty
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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boggsman1 wrote: | Matty, its not a response. Its a fact. |
IT'S MORON LOGIC.......let me give you a fact....not here, NO CRIME, NO MURDER. Zero.
They commit less crime , so that is somehow logical and we should simply accept that.....NEVER!!!!!! |
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boggsman1
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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mat-ty wrote: | boggsman1 wrote: | Matty, its not a response. Its a fact. |
IT'S MORON LOGIC.......let me give you a fact....not here, NO CRIME, NO MURDER. Zero.
They commit less crime , so that is somehow logical and we should simply accept that.....NEVER!!!!!! |
while you're busy keeping immigrants out, can you also keep out the Stephen Pollacks, and Robert Bowers? It's "moron logic" as you state, that we as a country can realistically keep all the bad guys out of the country... In fact , there are just as many legal immigrant killers, as illegal immigrant killers..
Is your main concern crime or immigration? |
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nw30
Joined: 21 Dec 2008 Posts: 6485 Location: The eye of the universe, Cen. Cal. coast
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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The bottom line of the liberal argument against the wall, still seems to be based on stats only.
So if it only helps, but is not a 100% solution, then it's not worth it.
That is some crazy logic, there are no guarantees in life other than death and taxes.
Not everybody commits crimes, only a small minority, so we don't need police. |
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mat-ty
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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nw30 wrote: | The bottom line of the liberal argument against the wall, still seems to be based on stats only.
So if it only helps, but is not a 100% solution, then it's not worth it.
That is some crazy logic, there are no guarantees in life other than death and taxes.
Not everybody commits crimes, only a small minority, so we don't need police. |
Lets not fix one problem because we have another one over here???? Its okay they commit violent crimes because Americans do also....lol..
Only a complete moron or a party desperate for a new base would swallow that load of bullshit... |
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boggsman1
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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Nobody has said its ok to commit a crime. If we outlawed AR-15's, most of the Vegas shooting deaths would not have occurred. But we haven't. If we build a Wall, violent crimes perpetrated by immigrants will still occur....There are 10-30 MILLION Undocumented already here! So, you're logic does not pass the smell test... And thankfully , a majority of Americans know that.... |
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nw30
Joined: 21 Dec 2008 Posts: 6485 Location: The eye of the universe, Cen. Cal. coast
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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So if it helps, it still doesn't pass the smell test, maybe you shouldn't count so much on your nose, it's telling you "we've already lost, so we should just give up". But you're right "nobody said it's okay to commit a crime", on either side of the wall issue.
BTW an AR-15 is just one of many weapons that can be converted to full auto, you should stick with "assault rifles", and we'll stick with the (non-concrete ) wall. Even-Steven |
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mat-ty
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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boggsman1 wrote: | Nobody has said its ok to commit a crime. If we outlawed AR-15's, most of the Vegas shooting deaths would not have occurred. But we haven't. If we build a Wall, violent crimes perpetrated by immigrants will still occur....There are 10-30 MILLION Undocumented already here! So, you're logic does not pass the smell test... And thankfully , a majority of Americans know that.... |
You continue to use moronic logic with your AR nonsense, different issue.
And just for the record every illegal HAS committed a crime by illegally entering our country. So if you want to talk about so called facts that illegals commit less crimes, you are factually 100% wrong.
Also 70% of Americans believe illegal immigration is a problem. |
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