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isobars



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Obviously, we in this forum disagree widely on the degree and speed of AGW, especially when we add another “A” for Alarmism. But SURELY no one here believes the absolute and dangerous nonsense these brainwashed children are protesting worldwide. Every one of you who has kids in school, pays taxes to support said schools, and/or has a voice or keyboard should demand that teachers feed kids SOME modicum of truth and balance on the issue. Their teachers (aided by the professional activists behind some or much of the protesting) are scaring the crap out of YOUR kids by telling them they are going to die in a few years if we don’t do the impossible (transform the climate) yesterday (literally, according to AOC) with what may as well be an infinite amount of money (as if even THAT is possible or desirable).

I have to really bite my tongue whenever I see “Tom” in the gym. He constantly cites his physics PhD, his 40 years of studying the climate as a hobby, and those completely fictional “97% of scientists” we keep hearing about to “prove” that the world WILL cross the irreversible tipping point by about Monday and rapidly become uninhabitable within a year or two.

That was five years ago.

I just say, “Hi, Tom” and move on.

Too bad we can’t afford to just say “Hi, kids” and move on, but that just shoves the world’s head waist deep into a $75 Trillion wealth redistribution sandpile and leaves our kids wetting their pants and shaking over an irrational fear. How eager would schools would be to give kids time off to protest lying teachers?

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coachg



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The way I see it we need the over reactionary "Toms" & AOC's to balance against the denier "Trumps" who want to increase the amount of CO2 we pump into the atmosphere. I guess if I was as plump as Trump I wouldn't believe in walking or bike riding either but that is beside the point. I'm hoping that between the over reactionaries & the deniers common sense can prevail & we can reach an attainable plan.

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mac



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yet another huge storm in Texas. Oh, look over there at the latest Trump tweet. Pay no attention to the scientists—or the kids who will pay for the damage of delay.

250 different events, made worse by climate change. Total cost about $1.7 trillion. https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/billions/events.pdf
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nw30



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just hate the notion of all those kids, who lack the personal perspective of their own historical context, now thinking that the world may not last through their own lifetime.
I find it criminal, even a form of child abuse thru education. And they think that we, the most advanced country in the world when it comes to protecting our environment, are the guilty ones.
Pawns, nothing but innocent pawns.
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swchandler



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NW30, in the 60's when we were considered young folks, did you eagerly support the Viet Nam War and all the nonsense about the Domino Theory? The US Government did, but was that the right path?
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mac



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nw30 wrote:
I just hate the notion of all those kids, who lack the personal perspective of their own historical context, now thinking that the world may not last through their own lifetime.
I find it criminal, even a form of child abuse thru education. And they think that we, the most advanced country in the world when it comes to protecting our environment, are the guilty ones.
Pawns, nothing but innocent pawns.


I find it criminal that Republicans, and all their toadies, repeat the lies of the oil industry. While subsidizing massive damage to the whole world.
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mac



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nails the right wing bullies on the forum: https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/why-is-greta-thunberg-so-triggering-for-certain-men-1.4002264?mode=amp&fbclid=IwAR3KQYoV2oWqRV2KQthQVUg5BoI3ryss4qSj1u-Sa1B_wcHDFhXzbnpqLo8
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nw30



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

swchandler wrote:
NW30, in the 60's when we were considered young folks, did you eagerly support the Viet Nam War and all the nonsense about the Domino Theory? The US Government did, but was that the right path?
Apples and golf balls, a far off war isn't as scary to the young as the end of the earth as we know it, w/in their lifetime.
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swchandler



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You might want to think about the fact that over 58 thousand young men died in Viet Nam. Was that really necessary or wise?
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MalibuGuru



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LIST OF DOOMSDAY PREDICTIONS THE CLIMATE ALARMIST GOT WRONG

As you will see, the individual sources are not crackpots, but scientific studies and media reports on “expert” predictions. The sources for numbers 28-41 are linked individually.

1967: Dire Famine Forecast By 19751969: Everyone Will Disappear In a Cloud Of Blue Steam By 1989 (1969)1970: Ice Age By 20001970: America Subject to Water Rationing By 1974 and Food Rationing By 19801971: New Ice Age Coming By 2020 or 20301972: New Ice Age By 20701974: Space Satellites Show New Ice Age Coming Fast1974: Another Ice Age?1974: Ozone Depletion a ‘Great Peril to Life1976: Scientific Consensus Planet Cooling, Famines imminent1980: Acid Rain Kills Life In Lakes1978: No End in Sight to 30-Year Cooling Trend1988: Regional Droughts (that never happened) in 1990s1988: Temperatures in DC Will Hit Record Highs1988: Maldive Islands will Be Underwater by 2018 (they’re not)1989: Rising Sea Levels will Obliterate Nations if Nothing Done by 20001989: New York City’s West Side Highway Underwater by 2019 (it’s not)2000: Children Won’t Know what Snow Is2002: Famine In 10 Years If We Don’t Give Up Eating Fish, Meat, and Dairy2004: Britain will Be Siberia by 20242008: Arctic will Be Ice Free by 20182008: Climate Genius Al Gore Predicts Ice-Free Arctic by 20132009: Climate Genius Prince Charles Says we Have 96 Months to Save World2009: UK Prime Minister Says 50 Days to ‘Save The Planet From Catastrophe’2009: Climate Genius Al Gore Moves 2013 Prediction of Ice-Free Arctic to 20142013: Arctic Ice-Free by 20152014: Only 500 Days Before ‘Climate Chaos’1968: Overpopulation Will Spread Worldwide1970: World Will Use Up All its Natural Resources1966: Oil Gone in Ten Years1972: Oil Depleted in 20 Years1977: Department of Energy Says Oil will Peak in 90s1980: Peak Oil In 20001996: Peak Oil in 20202002: Peak Oil in 20102006: Super Hurricanes!2005 : Manhattan Underwater by 20151970: Urban Citizens Will Require Gas Masks by 19851970: Nitrogen buildup Will Make All Land Unusable1970: Decaying Pollution Will Kill all the Fish1970s: Killer Bees!
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