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nw30
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| techno900 wrote: | NW30 said: | Quote: | And yet the democrats seem to be trying to move in the direction of socialism, a form of government that has no knowledge of math or economics.
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Socialism runs the gamut from government running the entire show to something like the US where social security, Medicare, SNAP, welfare, etc. are there to meet the needs of those that are unable or unwilling to take care of themselves.
I think we all see a need for some level of socialism, but the issue is how far do some on the left want it to go? Conservatives already see too much government dependency and are concerned about a sinking ship with too much government involvement. Hard to imagine, but nevertheless a concern. Obama Care was a red flag for conservatives, even though some elements of the program seem reasonable. The implemention process tossed a pile of crap on the concept and forever shut the door with the right. |
Agreed, but the problem is with the democrats of today, they've been evolving, they are nothing like they used to be when it comes to socialism, too much doesn't seems to be not enough. Which is why Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez easily won her race, and Bernie Sanders is so popular. The party is moving farther left as time goes by.
Pure socialism is a failure every time it's tried, and one thing I've heard many times is that it's because the wrong people were trying it,,,,,,,,,, please, the general public is not as ignorant as the dems would like to believe, and count on for their success in a hard left direction. It's killing their "blue wave" right before our eyes, because of this, and that > |
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mat-ty
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| Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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| techno900 wrote: | coboardhead said: | Quote: | | By hook or crook. You remember how the GOP denied President Obama's Supreme Court Justice appointment? Short memory, and certainly one sided and prejudiced. |
Would it be any different if the shoe was on the other foot at that time, meaning a Republican President and a Democrat congress?
The big factor was that there was going to be new President in 8 months when Obama made his selection, which was a little different than the current situation.
It looks like the divisiveness isn't going away anytime soon, so to get anything done, congress seems to be the answer, and even that is not a sure thing. |
It was a unique situation with Scalia's untimely passing.
And just think if the dirty dems did not change the senate rules they could easily block this nomination. Talk about a bite in the ass. |
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swchandler
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| Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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"Talk about a bite in the ass."
Just wait mat-ty, the tables can be turned in no time. November is just around the corner. |
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mac
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| Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| It’s ok to refuse to serve a gay person—but not someone who lies for the President. Right. Because, of course, lying is not a behavior freely chosen. It’s something that you’re born with. Like the color of your skin. |
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KGB-NP
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| Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| mac wrote: | | It’s ok to refuse to serve a gay person—but not someone who lies for the President. Right. Because, of course, lying is not a behavior freely chosen. It’s something that you’re born with. Like the color of your skin. |
Really? Show me a single person who does NOT lie then.
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mat-ty
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| Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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| mac wrote: | | It’s ok to refuse to serve a gay person—but not someone who lies for the President. Right. Because, of course, lying is not a behavior freely chosen. It’s something that you’re born with. Like the color of your skin. |
Bad analogy. Even though I think it was wrong not to bake a cake for a gay couple, they did because of their deep religious beliefs, they have rights also.
The attack on Sanders and others is based on hate. |
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KGB-NP
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| Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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| mat-ty wrote: | | mac wrote: | | It’s ok to refuse to serve a gay person—but not someone who lies for the President. Right. Because, of course, lying is not a behavior freely chosen. It’s something that you’re born with. Like the color of your skin. |
Bad analogy. Even though I think it was wrong not to bake a cake for a gay couple, they did because of their deep religious beliefs, they have rights also.
The attack on Sanders and others is based on hate. |
“deep religious beliefs”? Really? How did Jesus treat the tax collectors, lepers, adulterers, and every imaginable scourge of society? Hint: start at Mathew 1:1 or you could skip to Mathew 8.
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mac
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| Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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| mat-ty wrote: | | mac wrote: | | It’s ok to refuse to serve a gay person—but not someone who lies for the President. Right. Because, of course, lying is not a behavior freely chosen. It’s something that you’re born with. Like the color of your skin. |
Bad analogy. Even though I think it was wrong not to bake a cake for a gay couple, they did because of their deep religious beliefs, they have rights also.
The attack on Sanders and others is based on hate. |
Wrong. The refusal to serve Sanders is based on her behavior. She doesn’t refuse to lie for Trump. That is a choice—not a characteristic of the person that god made. She can change her behavior.
I refused to lie for bosses. It was uncomfortable—but they ultimately backed down. |
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KGB-NP
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| Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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| mac wrote: | | mat-ty wrote: | | mac wrote: | | It’s ok to refuse to serve a gay person—but not someone who lies for the President. Right. Because, of course, lying is not a behavior freely chosen. It’s something that you’re born with. Like the color of your skin. |
Bad analogy. Even though I think it was wrong not to bake a cake for a gay couple, they did because of their deep religious beliefs, they have rights also.
The attack on Sanders and others is based on hate. |
Wrong. The refusal to serve Sanders is based on her behavior. She doesn’t refuse to lie for Trump. That is a choice—not a characteristic of the person that god made. She can change her behavior.
I refused to lie for bosses. It was uncomfortable—but they ultimately backed down. |
So a person who has obviously lied, just like you and I, has the right to pass judgement on another who is guilty of the same? Oh, OK.
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mat-ty
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| Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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| mac wrote: | | mat-ty wrote: | | mac wrote: | | It’s ok to refuse to serve a gay person—but not someone who lies for the President. Right. Because, of course, lying is not a behavior freely chosen. It’s something that you’re born with. Like the color of your skin. |
Bad analogy. Even though I think it was wrong not to bake a cake for a gay couple, they did because of their deep religious beliefs, they have rights also.
The attack on Sanders and others is based on hate. |
Wrong. The refusal to serve Sanders is based on her behavior. She doesn’t refuse to lie for Trump. That is a choice—not a characteristic of the person that god made. She can change her behavior.
I refused to lie for bosses. It was uncomfortable—but they ultimately backed down. |
It's based on hate and those who defend this behavior are equally despicable. GROW THE FUCK UP. |
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