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swchandler



Joined: 08 Nov 1993
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wynsurfer, was the Retro 9.0 just too big of a sail for you to feel comfortable with, or did you feel that the sail lacked reasonable performance characteristics? If it was the latter, were you using Sailworks' recommended SDM carbon mast? Also, what board and fin you were sailing with? I've found that if you were under-finned with larger sails, they can feel powerless and lacking in performance.

Speaking for myself, I have a Sailworks 7.0 Retro, to include their 100% carbon 460 Lightstick SDM. I can tell you that it's one of the best rigs I've ever owned. It's super light, very responsive, powerful, and it handles like a dream. Also, I've never had a comparable larger sail that sets up and waterstarts so easily.
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joethewindsufa



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Location: Montréal

PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

coachg wrote:
I may be going off on a tangent here but I noticed while looking at the Sailworks website that there were no 2018 NX sails listed & all the Retro sails larger than 6.5 had to be ordered. I noticed the same thing from the Naish distributer on the larger sails. The word from Naish was that they were only sending 7+ meter sails to dealers if there were pre-ordered because of the demand for foiling has impacted the demand for larger sails. Could larger sails end up being hard to get?

Coachg


locally even 2018 North Sails seemed to be in stock no more than 8.4
Kona and raceboards use larger sails and less available here

this feels like typical marketing trends
we have to buy what they want us to buy ...
windsurfing is not a fashion statement !!

are they going to push us into foiling or perhaps even kiting ??
when i spoke to local shop and team rider about freerace
all i heard was foil, foil ... foil
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U2U2U2



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ago, boards and sails were aplenty as year old leftovers. Economic depressions, and general decline have stopped this .

Current models , if you want it , get it now, and now is too late for 2018s.(edit, some 2018s)

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wynsurfer



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rtz,

1-5 go play golf or some other sport unless you like bobbing around like a cork.

5-10 mph. put a small sail like a 5 meter on your viper and practice light wind freestyle.
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wynsurfer



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi swchandler. I used the 9.0 on a 490 Joystick which is a bit heavy. Winds are very up and down here and up hauling that rig was no fun at all. At the time I was sailing a Tabou Rocket 145 with 50cm. fin. I liked the sail! Just too heavy when you had to slog or uphaul.

I sold the entire kit, board, sail and mast to buy an RRD 110 Firemove which I use with a 7.5 Ezzy Cheetah. Much more fun in same wind range.
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swchandler



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wynsurfer, thanks for the feedback. No doubt, you were using a recommended mast and a suitably sized fin to match up with the Retro 9.0. Even though the 75% carbon Joystick is a bit heavier mast, it's got the correct bend curve to work very well with the Retro.

While I've never owned a 9.0 or anything larger, I can say that my biggest sail, a 8.3 Windwing Hammer, is somewhat of a bear to comfortably uphaul out of the water. But, I have to admit that I've only done it a couple times when the wind died. I find it's much better for me to waterstart instead of uphaul, but as sails get bigger, even waterstarting can be difficult task to set-up for.

These days, as an old guy, I much prefer to use the 7.0 Retro as my biggest sail, and I just try to be more efficient.
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U2U2U2



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree with above. A increase in size , at some point has a deminished return.
My case, from a 8.5 to 7.5 to a 7.0 now as largest. Longer mast, more weight, more $ for one sail.

Formula really large sails must have a different criteria , its not in my future.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RTZ

I have found over the past , say 5 years, that using a windsup in 5–10mph
With no intent of planing, and a small sail, 4.3m, I can have a pleasant session.
I practice some sail flips and such. The only thing that approximates this is a small sailboat , different chapter.

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coachg



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

7.0 to 7.5 is really splitting hairs. I would be very surprised if one could tell the difference uphauling the two with a blindfold on. If you are really looking at $ then a mid 6 sail should be your largest. The 7.0 generally requires an extra mast (460) & a longer boom (200 cm+). Most, if not all 6.5ish sails will rig on a 430 mast & fit on a wave boom. Based on your criteria you should not own a 7.0

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cgoudie1



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The last Big sail I bought was a 9.5 Retro, and it's a great match with my
100% SDM Powerex 490, my Gulftech carbon race boom, my Angulo Sumo
155, a huge(65 cm I think) Sweeper fin, and a 12MPH day. I can be
planing all over the place while most people sit on the beach, and that is a
lot of fun, but......since I spend almost all my free sailing time in the Gorge
these days, I rarely see that gear. Would I buy it all over again (dedicated
gear like that is a real expense)? Only if I were relegated to sail only in Utah.

I guess what I'm saying is huge sails can be great, if your typical conditions
are 12-17.

-Craig

p.s. anything above 9.5 in my opinion gets you nothing additional in the
realm of low wind planning.
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