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mac



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mendacity and incompetence on display by the Trump administration. The wing nuts love the cruelty and lawlessness.

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By Arelis R. Hernández
August 9 at 11:32 PM
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A federal judge in Washington halted a deportation in progress Thursday and threatened to hold Attorney General Jeff Sessions in contempt after learning that the Trump administration started to remove a woman and her daughter while a court hearing appealing their deportations was underway.

“This is pretty outrageous,” U.S. District Judge Emmet G. Sullivan said after being told about the removal. “That someone seeking justice in U.S. court is spirited away while her attorneys are arguing for justice for her?”

“I’m not happy about this at all,” the judge continued. “This is not acceptable.”

The woman, known in court papers as Carmen, is a plaintiff in a lawsuit filed this week by the American Civil Liberties Union. It challenges a recent policy change by the Justice Department that aims to expedite the removal of asylum seekers who fail to prove their cases and excludes domestic and gang violence as justifications for granting asylum in the United States.


Part of Trump's plan to privatize prisons and ignore abuses:

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AUSTIN — Following the death of a toddler after leaving a Texas immigration detention center and a string of abuse allegations at similar facilities in Arizona, lawmakers will hear testimony on Thursday on how the state regulates the controversial centers.

Last Friday, State Rep. Carol Alvarado called on the chairman of the Texas House Human Services committee to hold a hearing on state licensing of immigration detention centers, arguing that all pending applications should be suspended until a formal investigation is conducted.

"In light of the recent death of a toddler held in the Dilley Southwest Key center & allegations of sexual abuse by this man I have asked Chairman [Richard Peña Raymond] to hold a hearing on the matter and [Texas Health and Human Services Commission] to halt all pending license apps until a hearing and formal investigation," said Rep. Carol Alvarado, a Democrat from Houston."


This is the 52nd abuse investigation at a Dilley, Texas facility.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac wrote:
Mendacity and incompetence on display by the Trump administration. The wing nuts love the cruelty and lawlessness.

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By Arelis R. Hernández
August 9 at 11:32 PM
Email the author
A federal judge in Washington halted a deportation in progress Thursday and threatened to hold Attorney General Jeff Sessions in contempt after learning that the Trump administration started to remove a woman and her daughter while a court hearing appealing their deportations was underway.

“This is pretty outrageous,” U.S. District Judge Emmet G. Sullivan said after being told about the removal. “That someone seeking justice in U.S. court is spirited away while her attorneys are arguing for justice for her?”

“I’m not happy about this at all,” the judge continued. “This is not acceptable.”

The woman, known in court papers as Carmen, is a plaintiff in a lawsuit filed this week by the American Civil Liberties Union. It challenges a recent policy change by the Justice Department that aims to expedite the removal of asylum seekers who fail to prove their cases and excludes domestic and gang violence as justifications for granting asylum in the United States.


Part of Trump's plan to privatize prisons and ignore abuses:

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AUSTIN — Following the death of a toddler after leaving a Texas immigration detention center and a string of abuse allegations at similar facilities in Arizona, lawmakers will hear testimony on Thursday on how the state regulates the controversial centers.

Last Friday, State Rep. Carol Alvarado called on the chairman of the Texas House Human Services committee to hold a hearing on state licensing of immigration detention centers, arguing that all pending applications should be suspended until a formal investigation is conducted.

"In light of the recent death of a toddler held in the Dilley Southwest Key center & allegations of sexual abuse by this man I have asked Chairman [Richard Peña Raymond] to hold a hearing on the matter and [Texas Health and Human Services Commission] to halt all pending license apps until a hearing and formal investigation," said Rep. Carol Alvarado, a Democrat from Houston."


This is the 52nd abuse investigation at a Dilley, Texas facility.

So I guess many of those happened on obamas watch



We just care about Americans more than ILLEGALS . We have millions of homeless, millions of vets that are being ignored everyday. How about we focus on them first before we solve the rest of the worlds proplems.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trump has surrounded himself with illegals--people indicted, who plead guilty, and who have been forced to resign because of their visible corruption.

The point you miss, and intentionally, is that Sessions changed the rules of the game to try to prevent people from even claiming asylum. He changed those rules without going through the established procedures, and ICE and their contractors have ignored the rules of law, court cases that they have lost, and lost and abused children who may have had a legitimate asylum claim. In the case cited, he had a claimant shipped back on a charter jet while judicial proceedings on her claim were pending. The judge was outraged. It is Sessions who is illegal, not asylum claimers.

If Sessions and Trump had any respect for the rule of law, and the support of the majority of Americans, they would have amended the law allowing for asylum. They don't have the integrity, skill, or political support to do so. So they have tried to do this through the imperial presidency--a practice you ranted about when Obama did it. They've lost most of the court cases that challenged their actions.

You aren't illegal, just vile.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We also have many American families being torn apart everyday, usually due to dad or mom being shipped off to jail for doing something stupid and illegal. Hea, there's that word "illegal" again.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac wrote:
Trump has surrounded himself with illegals--people indicted, who plead guilty, and who have been forced to resign because of their visible corruption.

The point you miss, and intentionally, is that Sessions changed the rules of the game to try to prevent people from even claiming asylum. He changed those rules without going through the established procedures, and ICE and their contractors have ignored the rules of law, court cases that they have lost, and lost and abused children who may have had a legitimate asylum claim. In the case cited, he had a claimant shipped back on a charter jet while judicial proceedings on her claim were pending. The judge was outraged. It is Sessions who is illegal, not asylum claimers.

If Sessions and Trump had any respect for the rule of law, and the support of the majority of Americans, they would have amended the law allowing for asylum. They don't have the integrity, skill, or political support to do so. So they have tried to do this through the imperial presidency--a practice you ranted about when Obama did it. They've lost most of the court cases that challenged their actions.

You aren't illegal, just vile.



I'll give you Sessions jumped the gun on this case...they screwed up by deporting before trial..

But you're wrong about the law. It's asylum from political repression from a GOVERMENT , NOT A BAD MARRIAGE OR TOUGH NEIGBORHOODS.


But please keep attacking ICE, police, and border patrol... It's a great way to get 6 more years of Trump...
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matty is wrong, yet again. Attacking illegal behavior by ICE and Sessions is not attacking ICE or immigration reform. Or calling for open borders. Rather, some--not many in the Trump administration--respect the rule of law.

Here are the bases for asylum:

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Asylum and refugee status are special legal protections available to people who have left their home country for their own safety and are afraid to return to any place within that country. (If you can relocate and live safely within your home country, you will not be able to demonstrate that you have a well-founded fear of persecution and you will not be granted asylum in the U.S.)

What's the difference between asylum and refugee status under U.S. immigration laws--that is, who should seek asylum status, and who should seek refugee status? It's simply a matter of where you are when you apply. People outside of the U.S. must apply for refugee status. People who have already made it to the U.S. border or the interior (perhaps by using a visa or by entering illegally) can apply for asylum status.

Once granted, both statuses allow you to stay in the United States indefinitely. Asylees and refugees are given permission to work and are allowed to apply for a green card (within one year of either entering the United States as a refugee or being approved for asylum).

But not everyone qualifies for asylum or refugee status. You must meet some strict requirements, as described in this article. In particular, you must show two things:

You are unable or unwilling to return to your home country because you have been persecuted there in the past or have a well-founded fear that you will be persecuted if you go back.
The reason you have been (or will be) persecuted is connected to one of five things: your race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or your political opinion.


https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/asylum-or-refugee-status-who-32298.html
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac wrote:
Matty is wrong, yet again. Attacking illegal behavior by ICE and Sessions is not attacking ICE or immigration reform. Or calling for open borders. Rather, some--not many in the Trump administration--respect the rule of law.

Here are the bases for asylum:

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Asylum and refugee status are special legal protections available to people who have left their home country for their own safety and are afraid to return to any place within that country. (If you can relocate and live safely within your home country, you will not be able to demonstrate that you have a well-founded fear of persecution and you will not be granted asylum in the U.S.)

What's the difference between asylum and refugee status under U.S. immigration laws--that is, who should seek asylum status, and who should seek refugee status? It's simply a matter of where you are when you apply. People outside of the U.S. must apply for refugee status. People who have already made it to the U.S. border or the interior (perhaps by using a visa or by entering illegally) can apply for asylum status.

Once granted, both statuses allow you to stay in the United States indefinitely. Asylees and refugees are given permission to work and are allowed to apply for a green card (within one year of either entering the United States as a refugee or being approved for asylum).

But not everyone qualifies for asylum or refugee status. You must meet some strict requirements, as described in this article. In particular, you must show two things:

You are unable or unwilling to return to your home country because you have been persecuted there in the past or have a well-founded fear that you will be persecuted if you go back.
The reason you have been (or will be) persecuted is connected to one of five things: your race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or your political opinion.


https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/asylum-or-refugee-status-who-32298.html



By a Government moron...you're wrong and in typical liberal fashion you leave that fact out....GOVERMENT....
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac wrote:
Matty is wrong, yet again. Attacking illegal behavior by ICE and Sessions is not attacking ICE or immigration reform. Or calling for open borders. Rather, some--not many in the Trump administration--respect the rule of law.

Here are the bases for asylum:

Quote:
Asylum and refugee status are special legal protections available to people who have left their home country for their own safety and are afraid to return to any place within that country. (If you can relocate and live safely within your home country, you will not be able to demonstrate that you have a well-founded fear of persecution and you will not be granted asylum in the U.S.)

What's the difference between asylum and refugee status under U.S. immigration laws--that is, who should seek asylum status, and who should seek refugee status? It's simply a matter of where you are when you apply. People outside of the U.S. must apply for refugee status. People who have already made it to the U.S. border or the interior (perhaps by using a visa or by entering illegally) can apply for asylum status.

Once granted, both statuses allow you to stay in the United States indefinitely. Asylees and refugees are given permission to work and are allowed to apply for a green card (within one year of either entering the United States as a refugee or being approved for asylum).

But not everyone qualifies for asylum or refugee status. You must meet some strict requirements, as described in this article. In particular, you must show two things:

You are unable or unwilling to return to your home country because you have been persecuted there in the past or have a well-founded fear that you will be persecuted if you go back.
The reason you have been (or will be) persecuted is connected to one of five things: your race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or your political opinion.


https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/asylum-or-refugee-status-who-32298.html


Again you're a moron. Trump is following existing laws, they only seem extreme to liberal retards like you because no one has followed the law before.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Faced with a factual rebuttal, Matty resorts to name calling. NW and NP fail to troll him—because he is a “conservative.”
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interpret as you wish.

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Asylum and Refugee Status in the United States

US Immigration / By US-Immigration.com

If you fear that by returning to your home country or last country of residence you will be subject to persecution or severe penalties due to race, membership in a social group, religion, nationality, ethnicity, or political opinions, you may be eligible to apply for asylum or refugee status in the United States. Refugee or asylum status allows you to remain in the United States in order to avoid unfair or unreasonable persecution abroad. You can apply for asylum in the United States at any port of entry, such as a border crossing, airport, or sea port.
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