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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rudy now makes the statement that collusion is not a crime, but it is. see what the former FBI head of counter terrorism says..


now Rudy is claiming the top of trumps team were not colluding, but trump claimed he and no one ever talked with russians during the campaign and we have found out nearly every single one was conspiring with the russians.

So then trump changed his statements from no-one met with to well it is a witch hunt, and then no collusion.

to now they are saying the top did not collude. but it appears the others did from that statement changing it to the top.

and now they are claiming collusion is not a crime...

it is rumored the reason for this sudden change is because of the manafort trial, which the federal gov has to give the defense all documents on statements by any witnesses. and it turns out Gates is a listed witness and he is turning states evidence. It is rumored in these document is why the change by the trumps legal team, that a statemnt by gates confirms collusion by trump that he did know about the meeting. hahahahahahahahahahha



https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/trump-camp-shifts-talking-points-on-possible-collusion-1288799811698




https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/giuliani-appears-confused-as-he-tries-to-muddy-waters-for-trump-1288801347635

Giuliani appears confused as he tries to muddy waters for Trump

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Natasha Bertrand, staff writer for The Atlantic, talks with Ari Melber about Rudy Giuliani's struggle to tell a convincing story based on Donald Trump's wavering account of himself during the 2016 campaign.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please find the statute that collusion is illegal...

Word has it, you collude with your hand lotion every day.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MalibuGuru wrote:
Please find the statute that collusion is illegal...

Word has it, you collude with your hand lotion every day.


Did you listen to the links. The former federal prosecutor and the former head of the FBI of counter-terrorism both explained.

See an analogy is for the word we commonly use is racketeering. There is no statute for racketeering, but there are 35 crimes that fit it that you can be charged with, but not racketeering.

I know it is past your paygrade... if it ain't on fox you can not understand, you know 6th grade reading ability of fox. I may be giving a few grades above the normal fox viewer, just giving yours.

let me see about the terms they seemed to imply, It certainly is a crime.... and some jailable, the crimes that have federal statures under the broad headings of collusion are conspiracy, money laundering, bank fraud, coordination with a foreign government to influence an election with money or people/man-power and on and on.

in addition to the above links that a former federal prosecutor tells you the specifics that it is a crime.. of which he notes that Rudy certainly knows this from when he was a federal prosecutor. so why is rudy lying through his teeth?
collusion is a crime on how you do it...

here is the former head of the FBI counterintelligence saying there are specific statutes that fall under it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elKVRWZbxvM

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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here is the former head of the FBI counterintelligence saying there are specific statutes that fall under it.


Call it what you wish, but the video is simply a long list if "ifs" for it to be a crime. None of which have been proven. We are where we were over a year ago, lots of speculation but nothing of substance to prove collusion as a crime.

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Is collusion a legal term?

The term collusion refers to a secretive agreement, which is improper or illegal, between two or more parties to defraud someone, or to engage in some other illegal or illegitimate activity. Collusion may be engaged in by parties with conflicting interests in order to limit or remove the influence of a competitor.

Collusion - Definition, Examples, Cases, Processes
legaldictionary.net/collusion/


So, if the collusion is improper, but not illegal, then collusion may not be a crime. Let's wait and see what the exciting conclusion will be.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

techno900 wrote:
baja said:
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here is the former head of the FBI counterintelligence saying there are specific statutes that fall under it.


Call it what you wish, but the video is simply a long list if "ifs" for it to be a crime. None of which have been proven. We are where we were over a year ago, lots of speculation but nothing of substance to prove collusion as a crime.

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Is collusion a legal term?

The term collusion refers to a secretive agreement, which is improper or illegal, between two or more parties to defraud someone, or to engage in some other illegal or illegitimate activity. Collusion may be engaged in by parties with conflicting interests in order to limit or remove the influence of a competitor.

Collusion - Definition, Examples, Cases, Processes
legaldictionary.net/collusion/


So, if the collusion is improper, but not illegal, then collusion may not be a crime. Let's wait and see what the exciting conclusion will be.



They don't want a conclusion, they want to be able to say "THE INVESTIGATION CONTINUES" right into the mid-terms.
It's a joke and the American people are growing very tired of the daily spin of BS from the left. Their too dumb to realize it's hurting them.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Come on mat-ty, how many years did congressional Republicans, to include the FBI, investigate Hillary Clinton for everything under the sun without any actionable criminal findings? And let's be honest, I'm sure you would love to have the Republicans and the Trump Administration continue to investigate Clinton for years to come.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

swchandler wrote:
Come on mat-ty, how many years did congressional Republicans, to include the FBI, investigate Hillary Clinton for everything under the sun without any actionable criminal findings? And let's be honest, I'm sure you would love to have the Republicans and the Trump Administration continue to investigate Clinton for years to come.



Clinton should be in jail ,and got a free pass on her email scandal, destruction of evidence, and her reckless handling of classified documents. only a partisan jackass would deny that.

And to compare any of this to Benghazi is pathetic. Four Americans died, a little more serious than a few facebook ads....
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Come on Matty, yes four Americans were ambushed on Clintons watch in Libya and she wasn’t even president. Four Americans have been ambushed on Trumps watch just this year Afghanistan. Should we open 17 hearings on Tillerson and find out why he failed to protect them? A crock of shit.

Thousands were ambushed on Bushes and Obamas watch. The Republicans used 4 dead Americans for political purpose for many years to bring down a future presidential candidate they did not want to win. Total and complete propaganda.

As far as emails, she is smart enough to know not to put anything in an email that would be incriminating, and she didn’t. Trump doesn’t email because either he doesn’t know how (quite possible) or more likely, his whole world revolves around evil and unlawful things, so he orders his mob hits and payoffs verbally (hopefully not recorded).

Pretty basic stuff.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mat-ty wrote:
techno900 wrote:
baja said:
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here is the former head of the FBI counterintelligence saying there are specific statutes that fall under it.


Call it what you wish, but the video is simply a long list if "ifs" for it to be a crime. None of which have been proven. We are where we were over a year ago, lots of speculation but nothing of substance to prove collusion as a crime.

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Is collusion a legal term?

The term collusion refers to a secretive agreement, which is improper or illegal, between two or more parties to defraud someone, or to engage in some other illegal or illegitimate activity. Collusion may be engaged in by parties with conflicting interests in order to limit or remove the influence of a competitor.

Collusion - Definition, Examples, Cases, Processes
legaldictionary.net/collusion/


So, if the collusion is improper, but not illegal, then collusion may not be a crime. Let's wait and see what the exciting conclusion will be.



They don't want a conclusion, they want to be able to say "THE INVESTIGATION CONTINUES" right into the mid-terms.
It's a joke and the American people are growing very tired of the daily spin of BS from the left. Their too dumb to realize it's hurting them.


you idiot Bill Clintons independent counsel (an ultra right wing religious wacko) and so on went on for was it 6-7 years over a land deal that they lost 70k dollars many years before he ran for president. and not one grand jury indictment of a single top person in the clinton realm ever.

Also... The judge in that case of the private lawsuit was a former student of Clintons that filed a complaint on Clinton about her B+. She went on after getting her law degree to work with virtually every candidate that opposed Clinton.

and in this case we have a life long republican appointed.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

techno900 wrote:
baja said:
Quote:
here is the former head of the FBI counterintelligence saying there are specific statutes that fall under it.


Call it what you wish, but the video is simply a long list if "ifs" for it to be a crime. None of which have been proven. We are where we were over a year ago, lots of speculation but nothing of substance to prove collusion as a crime.

Quote:
Is collusion a legal term?

The term collusion refers to a secretive agreement, which is improper or illegal, between two or more parties to defraud someone, or to engage in some other illegal or illegitimate activity. Collusion may be engaged in by parties with conflicting interests in order to limit or remove the influence of a competitor.

Collusion - Definition, Examples, Cases, Processes


legaldictionary.net/collusion/


So, if the collusion is improper, but not illegal, then collusion may not be a crime. Let's wait and see what the exciting conclusion will be.


The crime is obstruction of justice. Trump knew that Michael Flynn was under investigation when he tried to get Comey to back off. Of course he lied about that, as he has lied about everything. There is now documentation of that. I expect there is much more—Manafort and Trump were both money launderers.

Just to remind you, Flynn has pled guilty, and the case against Manafort is overwhelming. Did you ever wonder how a supposed honest guy Trump just seems to hire all these crooks?

Think a little, and watch something besides Fox—or better yet, read both sides of an issue.
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