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stringp



Joined: 20 Aug 2000
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2018 7:21 pm    Post subject: Foiling limitation : uphaul Reply with quote

Always wanted to take my foiling act to more wavy locations like Swell or the coast. At Stevenson today, foiling on powered up 3.7. Over foiled and crashed in some choppy swell. Took me three tries to up haul back on the board. Huge energy expenditure.
If its that hard at Stevenson how do you get back on the board in real swell?
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grantmac017



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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2018 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not just waterstart?
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stringp



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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2018 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With my foil if you have enough to
water start you are overpowered.
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ericandholly



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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2018 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^

Yes. My windfoil freinds--I kitefoil--tell me that once you have your chops you can size up a bit to waterstart. I also heard that there are some small sail tricks to waterstart, like standing on wing etc... Just passing this along.

Curious though, as my lower back will not tolerate up-hauling more than a time or two per hour max.
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stringp



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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2018 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The foiling sweet spot for me is when you hit a lull and can surf down swell with very little power input from the sail. The down wind surf is not feasible with lots of power. So, water starting is out. Not so sure if I would stand on the wing anyway.
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cgoudie1



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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2018 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't foil (yet), but my back is the same way, and there are a number of
light wind water start tricks. Getting that sail as vertical as possible while
you're laying in the water is the 1st (you might even lower your Boom a
little to help that, but really stretch your finger and get that sail up.
Use a swell to lift your body up onto the board while you suck that tail
under you actively with your leg. Kick with your other leg to thrust you
up(might be hazardous with a foil). You can also pump the sail once
just like you would to get planning, but your timing needs to be
immaculate. Using these techniques I can get up in about 1/2 the
wind it would require to plane off a regular windsurfer. If things get
really dismal, you can grab the mast and the foot of the sail to get that
sail way vertical, while still in the water, but I'd practice that in some
5MPH winds in the shallows, because it's not easy. I've seen people use the
uphaul line with their front hand to get the sail really vertical also, but
I don't typically carry an uphaul on any of my Gorge gear, so I can't
comment on how hard that is.

Good luck,

-Craig

ericandholly wrote:
^^^

I also heard that there are some small sail tricks to waterstart, like standing on wing etc... Just passing this along.

Curious though, as my lower back will not tolerate up-hauling more than a time or two per hour max.
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dllee



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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2018 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem is too much wind and too choppy waters.
Perhaps there IS a limit.
Here at Berkeley, we see novice sailors uphauling the 120 liter boards, with 4.5 sizes sails, in 20-30 mph winds. Rare, but it happens in the spring. That is windsurfing.
Foiling, a dozen or so novice foilers are uphauling, and waterstarting, on 5-6 meter sails in 15-23 mph winds, when I'm on 5 meters and 85 liter boards.
Stephenson might just be rougher than Berkeley.
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dllee



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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2018 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps "3 tries" should not be considered a life risking venture. Sailing should be considered a somewhat aerobic sport, not a armchair adventure.
Oftentimes, I need 2 or more tries to uphaul my 84 liter FSW in sub 7 mph winds, sometimes as many as 8 attempts. I'm 162 lbs wearing a 4/3 wetsuit that sometimes gets wet.
In 1983, weighing around 145, 3 attempts to uphaul my 9',85 liter Seatrend was considered normal. 21.5" wide with a 11.75"tail.
How many of us can successfully uphaul the first try EVERY time?
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dllee



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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2018 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh...Easy Uphaul.
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grantmac017



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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2018 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm either a great waterstarter or an inefficient foiler because I very rarely uphaul. If anything the lower boom and increased underwater drag let's me waterstart in less wind than I could normally.
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