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mac
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Here's just one non-nutty thing that California is doing. Techno will never learn about these things as he bathes his brain in right wing sites that confirm his biases. Yesterday the Governor--you know, the one that got 63% of the vote beating back the craziest Republican talk show guy they could find--signed a series of bills that start the process for California to start planning to deal with the impacts of climate change. I'm sitting in a zoom call about how some of those things roll out. The idea is to have local governments deal with the roads and neighborhoods that are going to flood or burn if nothing is done.
Of course, in North Carolina, they won't worry about the pig shit lagoons flooding because they are in poor and black neighborhoods. Flood those immigrants, chase them back to wherever they came from. We don't really need anybody to pick our crops. |
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coboardhead
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This is one of issues where we are being a bit misled by the meat industry. That this will affect the family farmer in rural Iowa. That's not who is targeted in these rules that are being considered to make our food safer. These rules target corporate food producers mostly.
Where I live, I buy much of my meat products from locally produced sources. Free range poultry, grass fed beef etc. The value is better and it supports local farmers. We have the same movement in organic food. The local producers don't like to be told what to do by Californians (of course). But, they like it when the playing field is leveled for them when they compete with corporate producers.
I drive by a small veal operation on a regular basis. The pens are much larger than the minimums specified here. (Veal is a product I don't use BTW because I have a problem with the process even here).
I wonder if this potential rule in California might have a positive effect on the meat industry on small farms. Maybe this will allow small operations an opportunity to better compete with larger interests?
Will this affect food prices? Maybe. But, I submit that maybe smaller portions of higher quality products might be better for everyone? We are taught that the quarter pounder from MickyD is what we should desire. But, one may find the grass burger at 2/3 the size is really a much better value.
Americans are too disconnected from their food sources. It's not a bad thing at all to understand there are costs to our consumption. |
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mac
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| boggsman1 wrote: | | Techno....I'm a Californian, and I am 100% behind Prop 12. Especially the chicken spacing provision. We are not a healthy nation, and we spend $2.2TR a year on healthcare, and I'm sure you've noticed that COVID is preying on the unhealthy. So, we need to up the quality control on food production. A decade ago, there was a major bust on a cattle farm in the Central Valley. Cattle that had already died, were being slaughtered and turning into double doubles at In-N- Out burger, so the state is taking the lead(as usual)...It certainly wont happen in Mississippi or Alabama. |
The chicken requirement is a foot by a foot. How unreasonable. OF course, cramming animals together like that means you’ve got to feed them lots of antibiotics. Not only does that build resistance to antibiotics, but many of them mimic feminine hormones, feminizing those who consume them. That partially explains all the whining and crying coming from North Carolina. |
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techno900
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We will see how this one plays out...
| Quote: | Single-Payer Healthcare Makes a California Comeback
Sacramento Democrats are back, this time with huge tax increases.
By The Editorial Board - WSJ
Jan. 10, 2022 6:40 pm ET
In case you think falling popularity has Democrats questioning their progressive agenda, guess again. California Democrats are busy reviving government-run, single-payer health care, despite its failure in the state five years ago.
Gov. Gavin Newsom campaigned on single-payer in 2018, and it passed the state Senate in 2017. But it collapsed in the more conservative Assembly because it didn’t include funding to pay for its estimated $400 billion annual cost. It also would have required Medicare and Medicaid waivers from the Trump Health and Human Services Department. Assembly Speaker Anthony Rendon called the bill “woefully incomplete.”
Now progressives are completing it with gargantuan tax increases. Their revived legislation would replace Medicare, Medicaid and private health insurance with a state-run system and eliminate co-pays, deductibles and premiums. Californians would also be entitled to an expansive list of benefits including vision, dental, hearing and long-term care.
A board of bureaucrats would control costs—i.e., ration care. Deliberations about rationing decisions would be concealed from the public. The legislation “imposes a limitation on the public’s right of access to the meetings of public bodies” in order to “protect private, confidential, and proprietary information.” While Californians would technically be entitled to a “free” knee replacement, they might not get one if bureaucrats consider them too old—but the state won’t let people know that’s the reason.
The bill would also effectively ban private insurance for benefits covered by the state—basically everything besides cosmetic surgery. Arizona could soon become a hot destination for medical tourism.
While the state would still need waivers from HHS, this shouldn’t be an obstacle since Biden HHS Secretary Xavier Becerra supported single-payer when he was in Congress. As for the tax increases, read on and marvel.
• Start with a 2.3% excise tax on business with more than $2 million in annual gross receipts for what the legislation calls “the privilege of doing business in this state.” This gross receipts tax, which would apply to revenues rather than profits, would punish low-margin businesses large and small. Many will take their privilege elsewhere.
• Employers with 50 or more workers would also pay a 1.25% payroll tax, which would be passed onto workers. Workers earning more than $49,900 would pay an additional 1% payroll tax. These taxes would raise the effective income tax on wage earners making more than $61,213 to 11.55%—more than millionaires pay in every state but New York.
• An additional progressive surtax would start at 0.5% on income over $149,509 and rise to 2.5% at $2,484,121. Couples making more than $299,509 would pay a top rate of 12.55%. The top marginal rate would rise to 15.8% on unearned income, including capital gains, and 18.05% on wage income.
This surtax would apply “as if the resident were a resident of this state for the entire taxable year,” which suggests that part-time residents would be soaked even if they spend most of the year in Florida or Texas. Welcome to Hotel California.
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While the California constitution requires two-thirds of the Legislature to raise taxes, the bill says a simple majority may raise tax rates if necessary to fund single-payer. Democrats have a comfortable super-majority, holding 75% of seats in the state Assembly and 78% in the state Senate.
This year’s new legislative maps are expected to give Democrats three more solid seats in the Assembly, the chamber where they struggled to round up votes for single-payer five years ago. With their supermajority more firmly entrenched, Assembly Democrats may be less worried about a voter revolt this November if they pass the bill. The tax increases would still have to be approved by voters since they would override the state constitutional’s spending limit. Yet progressives seem to think voters are in the mood to pay higher taxes.
Democratic voters rejected single-payer when they nominated Joe Biden in 2020, and Build Back Better may be faltering. But progressives won’t rest until they put government in charge of your medical choices. |
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isobars
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Ah, yes ... by definition, socialized medicine. If the VA is any kind of model (and it usually is, intentionally), you want nothing to do with it. If I cared more about out of pocket cost than my longevity, I might accept the VA's legal, written obligation to provide me with all medical consultations, prescription drugs, surgeries, etc. ... total free medical care in perpetuity ... until they killed me, which they have tried on several occasions and will succeed one of these years due to the total incompetence of several VA providers before I wised up.
Instead, I shell out about $20,000 a year for sound insurance policies completely free of the VA and I pay a concierge PCP four figures to handle the small stuff. Every time a provider asks me whether I have any VA coverage, I say, "Yes. 100%. But I want to enjoy life for an extra decade or two." Every single provider has emphatically concurred, as they have heard or personally experienced endless VA care horror stories.
You've been warned, in this venue and in countless books, papers, personal accounts, Hillarycare trial failure analyses, and more to RUN, not walk, away from socialized medicine as the only system keeping you alive. It's not "nutty"; it's extremely hazardous to the health and longevity of your entire family.
| techno900 wrote: | | Quote: | Single-Payer Healthcare Makes a California Comeback
Sacramento Democrats are back, this time with huge tax increases.
By The Editorial Board - WSJ
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mac
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The lack of broader access to health care, and the lack of sick leave policies, have led to wider and faster spread of many diseases, not just Covid. The result is thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of deaths.
Neither Isobars nor Techno have ever suggested anything that they think should be done about it. Instead they just trumpet their fears. So sad. |
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swchandler
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isobars, with Medicare you can go to any doctors and health care providers you want as long as they accept Medicare patients. In fact, the VA recommends that veterans enroll in Medicare parts A and B.
Many folks elect to go with a Medicare Advantage plan to avoid paying the 20% that Medicare doesn't cover. Speaking for myself, I have secondary insurance as a retiree from Raytheon to cover the 20% that Medicare doesn't cover, and it costs $780 a year, .
I have a hard time believing that you need to spend $20K a year for health care insurance. |
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techno900
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| mac wrote: | The lack of broader access to health care, and the lack of sick leave policies, have led to wider and faster spread of many diseases, not just Covid. The result is thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of deaths.
Neither Isobars nor Techno have ever suggested anything that they think should be done about it. Instead they just trumpet their fears. So sad. |
Are you saying that you are ready to move into Newsom's socialist health care system and give up Medicare? |
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coachg
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Let’s see, according to Iso.
1) Government medical is mediocre at best. I’ll agree with that.
2) No health care is better than government healthcare. Not so sure on that one.
3) Only people who can afford to spend $20,000 a year out of pocket should be entitled to health care. Not sure on that one either.
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mac
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| techno900 wrote: | | mac wrote: | The lack of broader access to health care, and the lack of sick leave policies, have led to wider and faster spread of many diseases, not just Covid. The result is thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of deaths.
Neither Isobars nor Techno have ever suggested anything that they think should be done about it. Instead they just trumpet their fears. So sad. |
Are you saying that you are ready to move into Newsom's socialist health care system and give up Medicare? |
When you have nothing constructive or insightful to say, you invent a position and assign it to someone. How truly pathetic. |
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