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mac



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Boggsy. I do think that California made a huge mistake when it boosted the potential for retirement income. That was done nearly 30 years ago. As you point out, in the larger picture it is pretty small potatoes, and the newer pension system is not nearly as expensive, so this particular fiscal problem is diminishing over time. What is forgotten by the nasty sources that Techno uses is that local government was a big participant in the financial problem. They essentially stopped paying into Calpers (the State retirement system used by most municipal employees) when times were good.

Techno could also rightly point out to the booming economy putting the squeeze on housing, where 7 jobs are created for every new housing units. There are definitely issues in California. But I've been to the Carolinas and I'm staying put.

To some extent, the fiscal squeeze in California--paying money to greedy stakeholders and then watching it create problems for a generation--is a preview of what will happen (and is already happening) to the Federal budget under Bush/Obama/Trump tax cuts for the wealthy.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also blame Prop 13, which creates boom/bust tax flows... Its tough to budget , and think long term when the revenues are so lumpy....
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

coachg said:

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Ouch Techno,
Bitch slapped again. LOL
We appreciate your jealousy but you should be honest with yourself. The thing you hate most about CA is our diversity.

Coachg


Do you mean the diversity between the "haves" and "have nots". I thought that was a big no no for the left.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Typical ~
California cannabis industry sends SOS

By Alicia Wallace, CNN Business

Members of California's cannabis industry are sending an SOS to the state capitol, urging leaders to make swift regulatory changes or risk the collapse of the world's largest cannabis market.
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Now, members of California's cannabis industry are sending an S.O.S. to the state capitol, saying they're struggling to compete against black market operators who don't have to meet stringent regulations or pay taxes and fees. They're urging leaders to make swift regulatory changes or risk the collapse of their emerging industry.
"The hard truth is that until legislative changes are made, our industry will continue to wither away," said Michael Steinmetz, CEO of cannabis distributor Flow Kana, which recently joined a growing list of California cannabis firms that have cut their workforces.
Following the job cuts, which were first reported by the Sacramento Bee and described as an "epidemic" of layoffs, Steinmetz cobbled together an informal coalition of more than a dozen leading companies and business associations to lobby the state.
California cannabis businesses that have cut their workforces or scaled back growth plans say their woes aren't limited to the capital markets turbulence and the growing pains ricocheting through the broader cannabis industry. Their challenges, they say, are homegrown: California has too few licensed cannabis businesses, too much taxation and overly onerous regulation.

For the rest~
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/california-cannabis-industry-sends-sos/ar-BBXnqe1?ocid=spartandhp
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

techno900 wrote:
Do you mean the diversity between the "haves" and "have nots". I thought that was a big no no for the left.


Your concern is noted, as is your ignorance. Just like others you mistake my defense of my state with my political ideology. I have no need for conservative or liberal ideologies. I vote for a person's character, not policy. I voted for McCain in 08, Obama in 12 & was one of the 24,000,000 eligible voters who took the 16 election off because of lack of quality choices.

Your definition of diversity makes you sound like a socialist and yes, I do see a problem in the gap between the haves & have not's in CA, but I'm not sure socialism is the answer. My definition of diversity is in the form of cultural & ethnicity. We have it & you don't.

Coachg
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mac



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Techno started this thread in an effort to belittle the different elements of the “liberal” society. Of course, with selective use of sources and metrics, he tries to prove that the liberal society has been a failure.

So in this morning’s Bay area newspaper, there is a report on California's very low birth rate for teens. What does it mean? One of the many unappreciated benefits of the progressive policies established by liberals is greater access to birth control. Of course teen pregnancy often dooms the mother—and the child—to a life of poverty. In 1990, the national rate of teen pregnancy was 59.9 per thousand. In 2017 it had been reduced to 18.8. For black teenagers, the rate dropped from 116.2 to 27.6. Fewer women in poverty, fewer children raising children. The greater availability of birth control—fought by many churches—is the reason.

How is California doing? The rate here is 15.1, below the national average. How is the bible belt doing? Trying to control women’s reproduction rights and dooming them and their children to poverty. Mississippi—31.0. South Carolina—22.6. Tennessee—27.6. W. Virginia—27.1. Alabama—27.0. Arkansas—32.8. Georgia—21.9. Kentucky—29.1. Oklahoma—29.7. Techno’s North Carolina—20.6.

Like they once said about the rhythm method for Catholic couples. Updated to reflect the Bible belt. What do you call people who preach that their children should practice abstinence? Grandparents.
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techno900



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mac,

There has been a very steady decline in teenage BIRTHS since 1991 in all states. It's a nation wide trend and not just in wonderful California. All good news.

Check your news source, the story is about BIRTHS, not pregnancies. You almost got it right.

https://www.hhs.gov/ash/oah/adolescent-development/reproductive-health-and-teen-pregnancy/teen-pregnancy-and-childbearing/trends/index.html
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mac



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

techno900 wrote:
Mac,

There has been a very steady decline in teenage BIRTHS since 1991 in all states. It's a nation wide trend and not just in wonderful California. All good news.

Check your news source, the story is about BIRTHS, not pregnancies. You almost got it right.

https://www.hhs.gov/ash/oah/adolescent-development/reproductive-health-and-teen-pregnancy/teen-pregnancy-and-childbearing/trends/index.html


Not surprised to see you spin. I used the term birth to begin with, and the hhs site. Not surprised to see you try to spin away from the sad fact that the birth/pregnancy rates in the Bible belt are much higher.

My point was that efforts to provide contraception—fought by many religious and conservative groups—have been successful. More successful outside the Bible belt. Such efforts have also reduced abortions—and improved women’s lives. All a good thing.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You did say births in the beginning, but your stats:
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In 1990, the national rate of teen pregnancy was 59.9 per thousand. In 2017 it had been reduced to 18.8. For black teenagers, the rate dropped from 116.2 to 27.6.
were for births not PREGNANCY.

My spin? Just the straight story, and the facts.

You said:
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My point was that efforts to provide contraception—fought by many religious and conservative groups—have been successful. More successful outside the Bible belt. Such efforts have also reduced abortions—and improved women’s lives. All a good thing.

So why has the Bible belt birth rates dropped at the same rate as the rest of the country?

The higher rate of abortions in the non bible belt states likely results in the lower percentage of teen births. My point is that it's good news nation wide, and not necessarily anything special for California.

As you said:
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So in this morning’s Bay area newspaper, there is a report on California's very low birth rate for teens. What does it mean? One of the many unappreciated benefits of the progressive policies established by liberals is greater access to birth control.
Pretty much a pat on your own back that is not supported by any facts.
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mac



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Partly right and partly wrong. While I support a woman's right to choose, and control her own reproductive destiny, I vastly prefer contraception to abortion as a means to accomplish this. Techno is right that in most Bible belt states abortion rates/1000 are much lower--like Mississippi at 3.8. But that doesn't account for all of the difference. California's abortion rate is 19.5, and North Carolina's is 15.1.

Rather than snipe Techno, do you support greater access to contraception as a method to both reduce poverty and reduce abortion? This seems like a simple question, and I think California has been successful--as has the societal change when the pill became available. As a recovering Catholic, I am well aware that the Catholic church has fought the increased availability of contraception in every way.

Of course you could check the poverty rate for teens and try to make the cas that there is no statistical difference between teen women in the Bible Belt and the rest of the country.
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