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Reassessment of twin cam sails and longish boards
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westender



Joined: 02 Aug 2007
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Location: Portland / Gorge

PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2018 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My old Windwing Interface 5.7 is not good without the cam.
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dllee



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Location: East Bay

PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2018 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless the sleeve is narrow, you need to leave at least a cam or two in.
My Converts work great without cam, as does my MPR's.
4 cam WARPS still need a couple of cams.
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grantmac017



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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2018 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have never rigged a cammed sail in the Gorge, between the consistent wind and helpful current why would I?
Kind of like foiling or light wind slalom, why bother if you can expect +20 kts most days.

But for the other 99% of the planet there is a need for cams, foils and *gasp* even longboards.
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isobars



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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

grantmac017 wrote:
I have never rigged a cammed sail in the Gorge, between the consistent wind ...why bother if you can expect +20 kts most days.

I would kill my dogs to see a summer that windy OR that consistent. Even its windiest month, July, isn't that good and can be MUCH worse ... as in 10-20 % of "most".
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inf2003



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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The v8 is a great powerful sail . I have a 10.6 with a full carbon boom and 100% matching carbon mase (520 I think) that I purchased a few years ago for $700 for the package plus shipping. My wife passed and we had to sell the lake house so I only used them once. they are all in perfect condition. If anyone is interested I would let them go reasonably. It was a very powerful sail.

the mast is the matching neilpryde matrix x6 required by manufacturer and the carbon boom is a hawaiian proline. They are located in the boston or southern nh area
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PeconicPuffin



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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2018 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like cams just fine on sails bigger than 7.5. The feeling on the reach is beautiful. Jibing is compromised, but it's a better compromise than not flying across a bay in light winds.
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dyz36



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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For inconsistent gusty Midwest winds, I definitely prefer 2 cam sails in 7+ size.i have struggled with an 8.5 nocam sail until I upgraded to a 7.2 and 9.5 2 cam sails and they were a very pleasant change. The 8.5 was nice but only when closely matched with the conditions.

Similarly, a performance long board has an unmatched range and makes gear selection so much easier for me.

I only get to sail a dozen times a year so an expert sailor or someone with more sailing time may have different preferences.
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akrausz



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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having moved recently to bay sailing predominately, I picked up a 7.5 twin cam last week and took it out yesterday. Took a little getting used to the difference vs a no cam. Not as soft a feeling of power, and I don't think I planed any earlier (maybe that will improve as I get more familiar with the sail). But I definitely appreciated the way the sail handled gusts, so I would say overall more range. Cam rotation when jibing was great, the biggest difference is rotation is more authoritative if you will. Overall I like it!
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justall



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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

akrausz wrote:
Having moved recently to bay sailing predominately, I picked up a 7.5 twin cam last week and took it out yesterday. Took a little getting used to the difference vs a no cam. Not as soft a feeling of power, and I don't think I planed any earlier (maybe that will improve as I get more familiar with the sail). But I definitely appreciated the way the sail handled gusts, so I would say overall more range. Cam rotation when jibing was great, the biggest difference is rotation is more authoritative if you will. Overall I like it!


Just curious, what twin cam sail were you using?
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jingebritsen



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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2018 3:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cammed or not, lots of sails end up not being tuned correctly or matched with the correct mast. far too often, i see sails rigged poorly.

if rigged right:

RAF sails lose a little in top end stability and range.

cam sails are a bit more difficult to rig, and are heavier in cornering.

all about the trade offs.

largest misperception about prydes like v-8 commonly over the years was not nearly enough down haul. oh, and the advertised sizes were up to 10% smaller than reality. once tuned properly, they weren't nearly as truck like in their performance.

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