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nw30
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| boggsman1 wrote: | | vientomas wrote: | | nw30 wrote: | | mac wrote: | | boggsman1 wrote: | | nw30 wrote: | Schiff just said (paraphrasing) 'that we cannot trust the ballot box to determine Trump's guilt or innocents'.
So there you have it, "election interference, disguised as an impeachment". |
Please provide the entire context with correct spelling, "paraphrasing" as you call it , does not hold water. |
You don't really think that NW came up with that on his own and can answer your question do you? |
When you've got nothing, you go after spelling, LOL!
The pencil neck's exact words, ""The president's misconduct cannot be decided at the ballot box, for we cannot be assured that the vote will be fairly won".
So they must interfere with the process, and try for voter suppression. |
No, it means that Trump interfered with the election once, and he will do it again it given the chance.
"Schiff argued impeachment was urgent because Trump invited foreign interference in elections not just from Ukraine, but from Russia and China. The California Democrat said Trump must be removed because his attempt to "cheat in an election” threatens national security and election integrity.
“For precisely this reason, the president’s misconduct cannot be decided at the ballot box, for we cannot be assured that the vote will be fairly won,” Schiff said. “The president has shown that he believes that he is above the law and scornful of constraint.”"
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/01/22/senate-trial-hear-house-democrats-argue-case-against-trump/4534581002/ |
Thank You..
I knew NW was misleading the witness...Now , I have proof.
Must have peeled it straight off of Breitbardt |
Nope not from Breitbart (note the spelling of Breitbart), but from Schiff. The thing is, Schiff is full of himself, he's full of Schiff, the most chronic liar w/in this entire process. I find it amazing that any of you can take that clown seriously. In fact he keeps changing things to suit his desired narrative, as evidenced below,,,,, again.
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Schiff may have mischaracterized Parnas evidence, documents show
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/21/schiff-parnas-trump-evidence-101832
He'd be at the top of my witness list, right behind the whistleblower, if there really is one, and even before Hunter Biden. |
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nw30
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| Also from Schiff's spewage, he and the rest of the congressional team are speaking and acting as if the Mueller report never happened or even exists, its back to Russian collusion again,,,,,, seriously?!? |
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real-human
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| Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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listening to it live, incredible presentation to anyone who has a brain. What a presentation of facts. great job of playing the under-oath testimony by the people who would/did testify, ie ambassadors and even sondland.
must be watched on the camera/video or you miss the testimonies that were made.
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coboardhead
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| nw30 wrote: | | Also from Schiff's spewage, he and the rest of the congressional team are speaking and acting as if the Mueller report never happened or even exists, its back to Russian collusion again,,,,,, seriously?!? |
You mean the report that specifically did NOT exonerate the President? Have you read the report? Or, just the interpretation the Hannity offered? |
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mac
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You know the stooges have nothing when they resort to funny pictures and name calling. For those who know anything about law and governance, Schiff was masterful and credible. He also pointed out something that I had not seen before. Rudy was in contact with the prior President, Petro Poroshenko, who is widely seen as corrupt. From the Atlantic, well before the Ukraine election:
| Quote: | Ukraine needs a change.
The latest scandal, involving allegations of massive profiteering from the war against Russia by well-connected Ukrainians, proves the need for a new leader in the upcoming presidential election.
Allegations are that the son of a close business partner of President Petro Poroshenko sold smuggled Russian parts to Ukrainian defense factories at wildly inflated prices—factories that his father oversaw as deputy head of Ukraine’s Security and Defense Council. The father, Oleg Hladkovskiy, has been temporarily relieved of his position, and the son and others are proclaiming their innocence. |
Rudy was working with Poroshenko's do-nothing corruption watchdog to try to damage Joe Biden. He openly bragged that he was trying to get Ukraine to investigate Hunter Biden in order to damage Joe Biden--a violation of election laws. Schiff inferred that they had a deal, but Poroshenko lost the election.
Rudy planned to travel to Ukraine again, to try to sign him up for the deal.
But he cancelled his trip to Ukraine in early May, not long after Zelensky, the anti-corruption candidate defeated Poroshenko on April 21, 2019, gathering nearly 73% of the vote. From Politico, May 11:
| Quote: | he was planning to meet with Ukraine’s president-elect, Volodymyr Zelensky, to encourage him to look into Hunter Biden’s involvement with a Ukrainian energy company and Joe Biden’s attempts as vice president to oust a Ukrainian prosecutor accused of ignoring corruption among the country’s elite.
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All of this is well before Trump's "perfect" phone call, and clearly establishes--in public records--the efforts of Trump, through his personal attorney, to enlist foreign help for his election.
Anyone who cares about fair elections would think that Trump should be impeached for his efforts to cheat on elections. But the current GOP has been engaged in voter suppression for so long that it is clear that they only support having their favored voters allowed to vote. |
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mat-ty
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| coboardhead wrote: | | nw30 wrote: | | Also from Schiff's spewage, he and the rest of the congressional team are speaking and acting as if the Mueller report never happened or even exists, its back to Russian collusion again,,,,,, seriously?!? |
You mean the report that specifically did NOT exonerate the President? Have you read the report? Or, just the interpretation the Hannity offered? |
Cobo....what planet do you live on?...."Did not exonerate" is a term that failed prosecutors use as a cheap shot...
Last time I check NO ONE HAS TO EXONORATE themselves to be considered innocent.. |
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vientomas
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| nw30 wrote: | | Also from Schiff's spewage, he and the rest of the congressional team are speaking and acting as if the Mueller report never happened or even exists, its back to Russian collusion again,,,,,, seriously?!? |
Russia, and more:
In July 2016, Trump famously asked Russia to find Hillary Clinton’s “missing” emails. When asked if he was making a joke, Trump said no. Later that same day, Russian intelligence made its first effort to break into the servers used by Clinton’s personal office.
According to the Mueller report, the Trump Campaign also tried to obtain Clinton’s emails via Russian hackers through the work of Peter Smith, an investment adviser active in Republican politics. Smith kept Michael Flynn and Trump Campaign co-chairman Sam Clovis updated on his efforts. But was that directed by Trump himself? The Mueller report stated:
“After candidate Trump stated on July 27, 2016, that he hoped Russia would ‘find the 30,000 emails that are missing,’ Trump asked individuals affiliated with his Campaign to find the deleted Clinton emails. Michael Flynn — who would later serve as National Security Advisor in the Trump Administration — recalled that Trump made this request repeatedly.”
Trump has said that he would have no qualms accepting “foreign dirt” on an opponent if it would help him win and would not alert the FBI. And even after his call with Zelenskyy was made public, Trump once again suggested a foreign government should interfere in the election; this time, asking China to investigate the Bidens. Republicans, looking for anyway to defend the indefensible, said Trump’s comments were just a joke.
But, during the same week as the President’s remarks on China, Michael Pillsbury, an informal White House adviser on China, said that he’d pressed Chinese officials for information on Hunter Biden and he also told the Financial Times that he’d received information about Biden during a recent visit to Beijing.
Meanwhile, White House trade adviser Peter Navarro declined to answer questions about whether he’d asked Chinese officials about the Bidens during trade talks. Instead of saying “No, that never happened,” Navarro said any questions about this were “inappropriate.”
And, China didn’t view Trump’s request as a joke. “We have no intention of intervening in the domestic affairs of the United States,” Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Geng Shuang said in a statement in October.
The pattern is more than clear: Trump has repeatedly asked foreign governments to interfere in U.S. elections to help him maintain political power. And there is no reason to expect him to stop. This is what’s at stake in his impeachment.
https://www.justsecurity.org/67581/trumps-true-betrayal-a-pattern-of-soliciting-foreign-interference-in-us-elections/ |
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real-human
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| mat-ty wrote: | | coboardhead wrote: | | nw30 wrote: | | Also from Schiff's spewage, he and the rest of the congressional team are speaking and acting as if the Mueller report never happened or even exists, its back to Russian collusion again,,,,,, seriously?!? |
You mean the report that specifically did NOT exonerate the President? Have you read the report? Or, just the interpretation the Hannity offered? |
Cobo....what planet do you live on?...."Did not exonerate" is a term that failed prosecutors use as a cheap shot...
Last time I check NO ONE HAS TO EXONORATE themselves to be considered innocent.. |
idiot over 1000 former prosecutors said they would have indicted trump. Unprecedented as never have so many made such a statement over such a matter of treason in the history of the USA.
some said they have done so with much less evidence and got convictions
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mat-ty
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| mac wrote: | You know the stooges have nothing when they resort to funny pictures and name calling. For those who know anything about law and governance, Schiff was masterful and credible. He also pointed out something that I had not seen before. Rudy was in contact with the prior President, Petro Poroshenko, who is widely seen as corrupt. From the Atlantic, well before the Ukraine election:
| Quote: | Ukraine needs a change.
The latest scandal, involving allegations of massive profiteering from the war against Russia by well-connected Ukrainians, proves the need for a new leader in the upcoming presidential election.
Allegations are that the son of a close business partner of President Petro Poroshenko sold smuggled Russian parts to Ukrainian defense factories at wildly inflated prices—factories that his father oversaw as deputy head of Ukraine’s Security and Defense Council. The father, Oleg Hladkovskiy, has been temporarily relieved of his position, and the son and others are proclaiming their innocence. |
Rudy was working with Poroshenko's do-nothing corruption watchdog to try to damage Joe Biden. He openly bragged that he was trying to get Ukraine to investigate Hunter Biden in order to damage Joe Biden--a violation of election laws. Schiff inferred that they had a deal, but Poroshenko lost the election.
Rudy planned to travel to Ukraine again, to try to sign him up for the deal.
But he cancelled his trip to Ukraine in early May, not long after Zelensky, the anti-corruption candidate defeated Poroshenko on April 21, 2019, gathering nearly 73% of the vote. From Politico, May 11:
| Quote: | he was planning to meet with Ukraine’s president-elect, Volodymyr Zelensky, to encourage him to look into Hunter Biden’s involvement with a Ukrainian energy company and Joe Biden’s attempts as vice president to oua Ukrainian prosecutor accused of ignoring corruption among the country’s elite.
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All of this is well before Trump's "perfect" phone call, and clearly establishes--in public records--the efforts of Trump, through his personal attorney, to enlist foreign help for his election.
Anyone who cares about fair elections would think that Trump should be impeached for his efforts to cheat on elections. But the current GOP has been engaged in voter suppression for so long that it is clear that they only support having their favored voters allowed to vote. |
LOl Trump was doing you morons a favor...Biden is one of the most corrupt politicians this country has ever seen....Just ask his 5 family members who have become filthy rich from Joes abuse of power......Zero chance he will survive.
That leaves you with a grumpy old airhead, gay dude, and Amy who is as dull as a bowling ball.........morons!!!!!
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/01/media-refuses-to-cover-joe-biden-family-corruption/ |
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mac
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As usual, an ad hominem attack from someone whose grasp of facts is non-existent. The politicians who have gotten very rich while politicians include McConnell and Ryan. McConnell is worth over $26 million, and is heavily invested in banks. https://www.opensecrets.org/personal-finances/net-worth?cid=N00003389
Ryan is worth more than $6 million. He is the politician in a family that makes their money from government construction contracts.
Joe Biden is worth about $9 million, about half of that in the houses he owns.
Again, you know a stooge has nothing when they provide nothing of substance, but resort to name-calling. |
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