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vientomas



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What then does constitute impeachable "abuse of power"? Can't answer the question?

I wonder what would happen to Biden if he wins the nomination and is elected President (a million to one chance) and Trump is removed from office for "abuse of power"?

Impeachment round two. I guess Obama should have been impeached because of what he had Biden do with Ukraine.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=biden+video+withholding+50+million+from+ukraine&view=detail&mid=FBC63F03E6B26685ABFCFBC63F03E6B26685ABFC&FORM=VIRE


Can you answer the question? It's clear IQ30 cannot.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Abuse of power, in the form of "malfeasance in office" or "official misconduct," is the commission of an unlawful act, done in an official capacity, which affects the performance of official duties. Malfeasance in office is often grounds for a for cause removal of an elected official by statute or recall election.


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The issue is judging what constitutes malfeasance. Clearly, the liberals think anything that Trump does is malfeasance. Proving what they think is malfeasance seems to beyond their reach - (Muller investigation and House impeachment based on hearsay). And as most conservatives believe, Trump's asking for an investigation of the Bidens doesn't reach the level of malfeasance.

Obviously we will disagree, so the next election will determine what the public thinks and believes. We shall see.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Extortion is both a crime and an impeachable offense. Except, as Paul Krugman points out, among the zombies who have eaten the soul of the Republican Party. Welcome to the land of the walking dead Techno, it is clearly winter in what used to be a Constitutional Republic.
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vientomas



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

techno900 wrote:
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Abuse of power, in the form of "malfeasance in office" or "official misconduct," is the commission of an unlawful act, done in an official capacity, which affects the performance of official duties. Malfeasance in office is often grounds for a for cause removal of an elected official by statute or recall election.


from Wikipedia

The issue is judging what constitutes malfeasance. Clearly, the liberals think anything that Trump does is malfeasance. Proving what they think is malfeasance seems to beyond their reach - (Muller investigation and House impeachment based on hearsay). And as most conservatives believe, Trump's asking for an investigation of the Bidens doesn't reach the level of malfeasance.

Obviously we will disagree, so the next election will determine what the public thinks and believes. We shall see.


To better understand the meaning of the phrase, it’s important to examine how the framers of the Constitution came to adopt it. At the Constitutional Convention in 1787, the framers wanted to create a stronger central government than what existed under the Articles of Confederation. Adopted following the American Revolution, the Articles of Confederation provided for a loose organization of the states. The framers wanted a stronger federal government, but not one too strong. To achieve the right balance, the framers divided the powers of the new government into three branches—the executive, legislative, and judicial. This is known as the separation of powers. They also gave each branch ways to check the power of the other branches. For example, although Congress (the legislative branch) makes laws, the president (the executive) can veto proposed laws. This complex system is known as checks and balances.

Impeachment of judges and executive officials by Congress was one of the checks proposed at the Constitutional Convention. The impeachment of judges drew widespread support, because federal judges would hold lifetime appointments and needed some check on their power. But some framers opposed impeachment of executive officials, arguing that the president’s power could be checked every four years by elections.

James Madison of Virginia successfully argued that an election every four years did not provide enough of a check on a president who was incapacitated or abusing the power of the office. He contended that “loss of capacity, or corruption . . . might be fatal to the republic” if the president could not be removed until the next election.

With the convention agreed on the necessity of impeachment, it next had to agree on the grounds. One committee proposed the grounds be “treason, bribery, and corruption.” Another committee was selected to deal with matters not yet decided. This committee deleted corruption and left “treason or bribery” as the grounds.

But the committee’s recommendation did not satisfy everyone. George Mason of Virginia proposed adding “maladministration.” He thought that treason and bribery did not cover all the harm that a president might do. He pointed to the English case of Warren Hastings, whose impeachment trial was then being heard in London. Hastings, the first Governor General of Bengal in India, was accused of corruption and treating the Indian people brutally.

Madison objected to “maladministration.” He thought this term was so vague that it would threaten the separation of powers. Congress could remove any president it disagreed with on grounds of “maladministration.” This would give Congress complete power over the executive.

Mason abandoned “maladministration” and proposed “high crimes and misdemeanors against the state.” The convention adopted Mason’s proposal, but dropped “against the state.” The final version, which appears in the Constitution, stated: “The president, vice-president, and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.”

The convention adopted “high crimes and misdemeanors” with little discussion. Most of the framers knew the phrase well. Since 1386, the English parliament had used “high crimes and misdemeanors” as one of the grounds to impeach officials of the crown. Officials accused of “high crimes and misdemeanors” were accused of offenses as varied as misappropriating government funds, appointing unfit subordinates, not prosecuting cases, not spending money allocated by Parliament, promoting themselves ahead of more deserving candidates, threatening a grand jury, disobeying an order from Parliament, arresting a man to keep him from running for Parliament, losing a ship by neglecting to moor it, helping “suppress petitions to the King to call a Parliament,” granting warrants without cause, and bribery. Some of these charges were crimes. Others were not. The one common denominator in all these accusations was that the official had somehow abused the power of his office and was unfit to serve.

After the Constitutional Convention, the Constitution had to be ratified by the states. Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, and John Jay wrote a series of essays, known as the Federalist Papers, urging support of the Constitution. In Federalist No. 65, Hamilton explained impeachment. He defined impeachable offenses as “those offences which proceed from the misconduct of public men, or in other words from the abuse or violation of some public trust. They are of a nature which may with peculiar propriety be denominated political, as they relate chiefly to injuries done immediately to the society itself.”

https://www.crf-usa.org/impeachment/high-crimes-and-misdemeanors.html
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



Sen. Mitt Romney says he'll vote to convict Trump in impeachment trial - live updates


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Bart Jansen, Christal Hayes, Savannah Behrmann and Nicholas Wu, USA TODAY
February 5, 2020, 12:46 PM GMT-7
The Senate impeachment trial has resumed. A final vote on whether to acquit President Trump or convict and remove him from office is expected at 4 p.m. EST Refresh this page for updates.

WASHINGTON – Republican Sen. Mitt Romney said he’ll vote to convict President Donald Trump on the first article of impeachment – abuse of power – in the Senate trial.

Romney's office said he will not vote to convict on the second article of impeachment - obstruction of Congress.

“The president is guilty of an appalling abuse of public trust,” he said. “A president can indeed commit acts against the public trust that are so egregious that while they are not statutory crimes they would demand removal from office."

Romney’s decision makes him the first and perhaps only Republican to announce he would vote to convict the president.
https://news.yahoo.com/senate-appears-poised-acquit-president-090002523.html
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's just Pierre Delecto and nothing more, also white rinos are an endangered species.
Dogs on top of cars are now Okay!
Binders of women are now Okay!
Russia really isn't our biggest threat, so nobody needs to worry about them, yay!
He'll probably vote for Bernie.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And like the end of a Hollywood script, the Rethugs will throw their failed presidential candidate from 2012, under the bus. Successful businessman, Governor, Head of USOC, and now Senator....an honorable man with a conscious, a rarity inside the Beltway..
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

boggsman1 wrote:
And like the end of a Hollywood script, the Rethugs will throw their failed presidential candidate from 2012, under the bus. Successful businessman, Governor, Head of USOC, and now Senator....an honorable man with a conscious, a rarity inside the Beltway..
I hope you didn't give yourself whiplash with that new opinion, your neck could be sore for months!
It's interesting that if you vote to convict, you're using your conscious or heart.
But if you vote to acquit, it's just political.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nw30 wrote:
boggsman1 wrote:
And like the end of a Hollywood script, the Rethugs will throw their failed presidential candidate from 2012, under the bus. Successful businessman, Governor, Head of USOC, and now Senator....an honorable man with a conscious, a rarity inside the Beltway..
I hope you didn't give yourself whiplash with that new opinion, your neck could be sore for months!
It's interesting that if you vote to convict, you're using your conscious or heart.
But if you vote to acquit, it's just political.


Hunger for power and cowardice. And the take over of the Republican Party by wing nuts and criminals.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac wrote:
nw30 wrote:
boggsman1 wrote:
And like the end of a Hollywood script, the Rethugs will throw their failed presidential candidate from 2012, under the bus. Successful businessman, Governor, Head of USOC, and now Senator....an honorable man with a conscious, a rarity inside the Beltway..
I hope you didn't give yourself whiplash with that new opinion, your neck could be sore for months!
It's interesting that if you vote to convict, you're using your conscious or heart.
But if you vote to acquit, it's just political.


Hunger for power and cowardice. And the take over of the Republican Party by wing nuts and criminals.
I hope that you and all the other losers keep up the criminality of Trump, especially in congress. According to Gallup, Trump's approval went from 39% to 49% thru the impeachment process, so do it again! What's another 10 point rise in his approval rating, you guys should be able to kick him out with a 59% approval rating no problem!
Go for it!
But don't worry about all the other dem candidates running for offices at the same time, it won't effect their chances at all,,,,,,, Ha!
Go for it!
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