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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

too funny Kenny Boy Starr who spent how many years on clinton said clintons crime was impeachable but trumps are not crimes.... hahahahaha Rember Kenny boy Starr a millionaire from the clinton investigation signed up to represent Epstein...


https://www.msnbc.com/the-beat-with-ari/watch/-fear-trump-insiders-defying-stonewall-in-impeachment-probe-71257669556

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Despite Trump’s attempts to stonewall key witnesses and evidence, the first White House aide, Fiona Hill, testified in the impeachment probe. Hill, Trump’s former Russia adviser, has been at the center of Trump’s twin foreign policy scandals, and left her post in July, shortly before Trump’s Ukraine call. The Root’s Jason Johnson argues more civil servants and members of Trump’s admin are coming forward despite ‘the stonewalling of Congress’ and ‘hiding of information’ because they ‘don’t want to face jail time’ or ‘criminal charges.’ Jason adds Trump is ‘realizing’ the ‘limits of his influence’ because aides do not want ‘to carry water for this level of corruption.’

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To wait on impeachment endangers nation
We must preserve, protect and defend Constitution

As the din of drumbeats along the Potomac calling for impeachment grows louder and the evidence of President Trump’s “high crimes and misdemeanors” piles higher, it is time for the U.S. House of Representatives to do its constitutional duty to draft and send articles of impeachment to the U.S. Senate and for the Senate to vote to remove President Trump from office. To wait any longer puts the republic in grave danger.

Those who stay their hand justify their inaction on the grounds that overturning an election is at bottom a political act that should be used sparingly. They are right. Of course, impeachment is a political act, for as Alexander Hamilton noted in Federalist No. 65, acts for which impeachment is proper are “offenses which proceed from misconduct of public men or in other words from the abuse of some public trust,” which “may be denominated POLITICAL, as they relate chiefly to injuries done immediately to the society itself.” [emphasis in the original] Of course, impeachment should be used sparingly, but it must be used when a president has in numerous ways violated his oath to “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States” – and particularly where that president presents a danger that he will do so again and again.

As I learned when I served as coprosecutor in the impeachment of Arizona Governor Evan Mecham three decades ago and as I remind my Constitutional Law students at the Sandra Day O’Connor College of Law at Arizona State University each spring, the history of impeachments – both in Great Britain and in the United States – makes clear that the term “high crimes and misdemeanors” is both less and more than criminal conduct.

It is less because a crime need not have been committed by the impeached officer. It is more because to be impeachable, an act of omission must be an “abuse of some public trust.” Impeachment is provided for in our Constitution to protect society from public officers who by past acts of abuse of power, obstruction of justice, corruption or neglect of duty that bring discredit on the office, violate the public trust and seriously impair the officeholder’s ability to carry out constitutional and statutory duties.

What is telling a foreign government that delivery of aid appropriated by Congress is conditioned on that government delivering dirt on a political opponent of the president if not an abuse of power? What is getting witnesses to lie and fail to comply with valid subpoenas if not obstruction of justice? What is violation of the emoluments clause if not corruption? And what is failure to take action against our adversaries who interfere in our elections if not neglect of duty?

These acts and omissions violate the public trust and seriously impair the ability of the current occupant of the White House and those who will follow to carry out the president’s constitutional and statutory duties.

Failure of the House of Representatives to adopt articles of impeachment promptly will give license to all who follow President Trump to abuse power, obstruct justice, engage in corrupt actions and neglect their duty in ways we cannot imagine. Failure of the Senate to convict and remove President Trump from office will put the republic in danger every day that he remains in office.

Paul Eckstein served as co-prosecutor in the impeachment of Arizona Gov. Evan Mecham in 1988. Eckstein practices civil litigation in constitutional and political law, among other areas, at Perkins Coie in Phoenix. Reach him at PEckstein@perkinscoie.com.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac wrote:
To wait on impeachment endangers nation
We must preserve, protect and defend Constitution

As the din of drumbeats along the Potomac calling for impeachment grows louder and the evidence of President Trump’s “high crimes and misdemeanors” piles higher, it is time for the U.S. House of Representatives to do its constitutional duty to draft and send articles of impeachment to the U.S. Senate and for the Senate to vote to remove President Trump from office. To wait any longer puts the republic in grave danger.

Those who stay their hand justify their inaction on the grounds that overturning an election is at bottom a political act that should be used sparingly. They are right. Of course, impeachment is a political act, for as Alexander Hamilton noted in Federalist No. 65, acts for which impeachment is proper are “offenses which proceed from misconduct of public men or in other words from the abuse of some public trust,” which “may be denominated POLITICAL, as they relate chiefly to injuries done immediately to the society itself.” [emphasis in the original] Of course, impeachment should be used sparingly, but it must be used when a president has in numerous ways violated his oath to “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States” – and particularly where that president presents a danger that he will do so again and again.

As I learned when I served as coprosecutor in the impeachment of Arizona Governor Evan Mecham three decades ago and as I remind my Constitutional Law students at the Sandra Day O’Connor College of Law at Arizona State University each spring, the history of impeachments – both in Great Britain and in the United States – makes clear that the term “high crimes and misdemeanors” is both less and more than criminal conduct.

It is less because a crime need not have been committed by the impeached officer. It is more because to be impeachable, an act of omission must be an “abuse of some public trust.” Impeachment is provided for in our Constitution to protect society from public officers who by past acts of abuse of power, obstruction of justice, corruption or neglect of duty that bring discredit on the office, violate the public trust and seriously impair the officeholder’s ability to carry out constitutional and statutory duties.

What is telling a foreign government that delivery of aid appropriated by Congress is conditioned on that government delivering dirt on a political opponent of the president if not an abuse of power? What is getting witnesses to lie and fail to comply with valid subpoenas if not obstruction of justice? What is violation of the emoluments clause if not corruption? And what is failure to take action against our adversaries who interfere in our elections if not neglect of duty?

These acts and omissions violate the public trust and seriously impair the ability of the current occupant of the White House and those who will follow to carry out the president’s constitutional and statutory duties.

Failure of the House of Representatives to adopt articles of impeachment promptly will give license to all who follow President Trump to abuse power, obstruct justice, engage in corrupt actions and neglect their duty in ways we cannot imagine. Failure of the Senate to convict and remove President Trump from office will put the republic in danger every day that he remains in office.

Paul Eckstein served as co-prosecutor in the impeachment of Arizona Gov. Evan Mecham in 1988. Eckstein practices civil litigation in constitutional and political law, among other areas, at Perkins Coie in Phoenix. Reach him at PEckstein@perkinscoie.com.


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The drum beats???....only in the minds of morons and swamp creatures.

Trumps polls, money and support is growing by the minutes....The bogus and illegal impeachment HOAX is a joke and will never see the light of day in the Senate. Dems in their un-hinged ,illegal and unprecedented process are setting themselves up for a complete failure.....but I guess that's what you do when you actually have no legitimate charges. You just hide behind close doors and hope your leaks will get people like Mac all wet......lol. Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even if they had any evidence, how's this impeachment coup supposed to work? From what we've seen on videos of their lips moving, their plan looks like this:
1. Adam Schiff gathers his pro-impeachment coup conspiracists behind doors locked from public scrutiny.

2. The only reason for the privacy is concealment, as no classified subjects are discussed.

3. Only his core coup conclave within his committee can subpoena witnesses, question the ones the Dems assemble, or take any other actions. Remember, this is literally a coup, not a legitimate congressional process.

4. They talk. About what, no one will ever know.

5. Schiff walks out of the room, is mobbed by the media, and tells them highly fictionalized, pro-impeachment crap (proved repeatedly when the truth, such as the transcript contents, emerges).

6. The stupid, pro-impeachment media swallow it hook, line, and sinker and print it as fact with no attempt at journalistic scrutiny.

7. The equally stupid anti-Trump sector of the public swallow it up and support impeachment.

8. Schiff steps out of the coup cave one day and announces that Trump has officially been impeached and must have all his belongings out of the White House by noon the next day.

9. Trump tweets, "F*** You".

10. 70% of the public formally likes Trump's tweet and votes for him in 2020 in order to restore SOME sense of reality, legality, and constitutionality to the process.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a bunch of fools. When articles of impeachment are developed, they will be voted on by the full House and tried in the Senate. All evidence--which at this moment appears to be overwhelming--will be made public at that time.

Clueless in Richland--Mike Fick.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac wrote:
What a bunch of fools. When articles of impeachment are developed, they will be voted on by the full House and tried in the Senate. All evidence--which at this moment appears to be overwhelming--will be made public at that time.

Clueless in Richland--Mike Fick.



And that's is where it will die.....faster than you can say MUELLER....

Meanwhile Barr and Durham are preparing for the bomb of the century...

If you think not you are one stupid old man......
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mat-ty wrote:
mac wrote:
What a bunch of fools. When articles of impeachment are developed, they will be voted on by the full House and tried in the Senate. All evidence--which at this moment appears to be overwhelming--will be made public at that time.

Clueless in Richland--Mike Fick.



And that's is where it will die.....faster than you can say MUELLER....

Meanwhile Barr and Durham are preparing for the bomb of the century...

If you think not you are one stupid old man......
Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no question that Barr is all in on obstruction of justice.
Crooks get Matty hot.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac wrote:
There is no question that Barr is all in on obstruction of justice.
Crooks get Matty hot.



Okay...Barr is a bad guy...only a complete desperate asshole would imply that..

Barr and Durham come with the highest credentials and integrity.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vientomas wrote:
mat-ty wrote:
mac wrote:
What a bunch of fools. When articles of impeachment are developed, they will be voted on by the full House and tried in the Senate. All evidence--which at this moment appears to be overwhelming--will be made public at that time.

Clueless in Richland--Mike Fick.



And that's is where it will die.....faster than you can say MUELLER....

Meanwhile Barr and Durham are preparing for the bomb of the century...

If you think not you are one stupid old man......
Laughing



We will see little man.....you apparently enjoy eating crow..
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