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markwk
Joined: 07 Jul 2015 Posts: 4 Location: central NC
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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I own two exocet 11'8" windSUPs, one in AST (wife's board) and one in
Bamboo. The Bamboo is IMO the one to get. We use them 90% of the
time in central NC inland lake conditions (5-12 mph). They are also well behaved at the coast with small sails in high winds.
Recently I had to sail far downwind to retrieve a Hifly 122L board which had gotten away from someone (who shall remain unamed ) when the rig detached in 25-30+ mph wind. As always in these rescue situations the 11'8" is the go-to solution. A Retro 4.0 on the 11'8" was surprisingly controllable and actually fun on the downwind leg. Going back upwind towing a shortboard behind is always a struggle but doable. Of course the board is slow compared to our shortboards in those conditions, but the versatility is supreme.
In the becalmed inland summer we find the boards quite pleasant to paddle.
In short, to the original poster, I'd suggest he sell the GO, buy the 11'8", and save up for a lighter, higher performing 105L to 130L wide-ish shortboard for a two board quiver that will suffice for 10-20+ mph conditions.
But most importantly (IMHO): learn to beachstart and waterstart!!! Put all your energy into learning this vital skill, which will unlock your access to smaller boards and higher winds. And invest in an easy-uphaul for those 7.5 and larger sails. |
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d0uglass
Joined: 28 May 2004 Posts: 1286 Location: Bonita Springs, Florida
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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I have the 11'8 WindSUP in AST construction. If I was rich I would get it in the lighter weight bamboo construction, but even in the AST construction it's probably the best and most versatile board I have ever owned.
*You can use it as a SUP for flatwater touring or for wave riding.
*Works great as a beginner board because it has good stability, good non-planing glide, and good upwind ability with the daggerboard.
*Works great in light winds because the length and moderate width cut through the water well in non-planing mode, and the step tail design allows it to transition smoothly to planing mode as the wind picks up.
*More pleasurable to sail in non-planing mode than a short and wide board like the GO.
*Planes pretty early without requiring any special footwork or pumping, so it's forgiving for people just learning harness and footstraps and stuff.
*Goes fast, and can handle rough water pretty well.
*Planes comfortably with a huge range of sail sizes, 5.5 - 9.5 no problem, maybe even beyond that range.
*Maneuvers well, especially with a smaller fin, and can be used for wave sailing.
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qwertyjjj
Joined: 09 Jul 2015 Posts: 98
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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If I understand correctly, to get planing on a 161, I need a 8-10m sail in my average winds of 10-12kts.
Edit: I should add these are the wind speeds when I go windsurfing. The average winds speed in the lake area is much less maybe 7 or 8 kts.
But the go might schlogg around in that. So to fill a light wind gap, the exocet might work bit also needs the same sail sizes to get planing.
Planing-wise I'm no better off with either?
Light wind though and more time on the water, more range, more upwind then the exocet.
Exocet better in gusts, go better in constant winds.
People do not spend a lot on or sell modern used longboards/sup boards around here often the market is very slow. |
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swchandler
Joined: 08 Nov 1993 Posts: 10588
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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Let's get real, you will never plane up in 7-8kts, no matter what you've got for a sail. That's the unvarnished truth. If you want to be planing, you've got to look for a new locale. |
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d0uglass
Joined: 28 May 2004 Posts: 1286 Location: Bonita Springs, Florida
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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Planing-wise there won't be much difference, but the 11'8 will glide around better in sub planing winds, making the overall experience of going out on the lake and fishing for wind more enjoyable.
For an expert with good pumping skills, the shorter wider GO might plane a little earlier, but for a non expert the 11'8 is going to plane earlier because it glides up onto a plane without any special finesse required. _________________ James' Blog: Windsurfing Equipment Size Calculator
http://jimbodouglass.blogspot.com/2010/11/updated-windsurf-calculator-online.html |
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acalhounguy
Joined: 25 May 2013 Posts: 57
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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I have an Exocet windsup 11'8". It's a good board but I basically never use it, because I think sub-planing windsurfing is boring and if I can plane I'd rather be on a lighter more responsive short board. If you want a sup or a cruiser for sub-planing it's fine, and like Doug says it planes easily. It is kind of expensive and it is heavy, I wonder if a new inflatable windsup would be more practical.
In any case, you shouldn't buy any board right now. You should rig your biggest sail which you will uphaul LESS because you will actually be able to balance against the sail in lighter wind, plus you might plane as the wind comes up - take this advice in light wind first obviously. Again, go for your 8M or whatever, you'll be wanting a 9.5 before you know it. Also, I haven't used a Go with the center fin but I'd be inclined to as a beginner in sub-planing conditions. The sooner you get to planing the less you'll care about sub-planing performance.
Surely the 11'8" should be a gem on the ocean but a little dull after awhile on the lake. |
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joethewindsufa
Joined: 10 Oct 2010 Posts: 1190 Location: Montréal
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qwertyjjj
Joined: 09 Jul 2015 Posts: 98
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:37 am Post subject: |
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swchandler wrote: | Let's get real, you will never plane up in 7-8kts, no matter what you've got for a sail. That's the unvarnished truth. If you want to be planing, you've got to look for a new locale. |
I don't usually go out unless it's 10kts gusts of 15-20 |
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qwertyjjj
Joined: 09 Jul 2015 Posts: 98
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 6:10 am Post subject: |
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acalhounguy wrote: |
Surely the 11'8" should be a gem on the ocean but a little dull after awhile on the lake. |
The lake is about 5km across by 7km long.
Enough to get some smaller waves.
Nothing like on the ocean of course. |
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qwertyjjj
Joined: 09 Jul 2015 Posts: 98
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 6:40 am Post subject: |
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I'm sure they sail well in light wind but that's a real 80s style.
They have a lot of displacement/hull below the water?
As you know with the older longboards in worried about width at my level. |
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