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Jama



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:25 pm    Post subject: Learning Windsurfing with No Daggerboard? Reply with quote

I have a 150L Fanatic Allwave which is a SUP board with a mast-track. It is a tri-fin board with no daggerboard.

This is it --> www.fanatic.com/product/2015-allwave/#series-1

I'm looking to teach my friend how to windsurf on it and I'm wondering if using an extra-long fin (40cm or over) will make it easier to track upwind.

Would this be suitable for teaching or should I be using an 80's longboard with daggerboard?

Learning environment would be in light winds (10 knots or less) on a lake or sheltered harbor.

Thanks!
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grantmac017



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I learned on a 155l 280×80cm board with no dagger. I mainly used a 50cm fin but that was a single configuration. So long as they know to dig the upwind rail a little it was no problem.
A longboard is easier to progress on in light wind though.
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katiedog



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many ,many years ago there was a insert which took a large surf fin in a sliding track. Used this in the Windsurfer Rocket . circa 1982? Wink
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konajoe



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's hard enough staying upwind with a centerboard, when learning. So, if using that Fanatic, include a lesson on how to do the 'walk of shame'.
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wynsurfer



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That board has a us fin box so you can't put a fin larger than 38 - 40 cm. if you can find one.
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Arrgh



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those old long boards are pretty narrow. I wish I could have learned on that sup. You don't need a high aspect fin on a slow board; you are looking for area, not length. Here are a few possibilities:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/TANGENT-DYNAMICS-DRIVE-3-WINDSURF-FIN-32CM-A-BOX/272545125463?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/K4-fins-SUP-Race-Fin/252818098661?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Used-Bic-Sport-12-25-ABase-fin-/322475494863?hash=item4b15098dcf:g:BQwAAOSw3utY5lJH

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Used-True-Ames-13-5-Abase-Euro-fin-/322475489696?hash=item4b150979a0:g:7~oAAOSwc-tY5lDS
(Bargain of the bunch, e-box base easily converted to a/US)
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boardsurfr



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would not bother putting a large fin in - it will not make going upwind a lot easier for a beginner. After the first few minutes of sailing, you'll have to teach the proper technique to go upwind right away (push the windward rail into the water to reduce sideways drift and use the board's rocker).
This is a little harder than having a big centerboard, but it's perfectly doable even for beginners. I know one very experienced instructor who has taught a lot of beginners on SUPs without center fins. The boards he used were a bit thinner and longer, which makes going upwind a little easier, but the Allwave should also work.
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NOVAAN



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lots of water line on that board. Should be fine. The short tri fin set up will make beach starts easier. he is walking back a few times no matter what board you use...
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skyking1231



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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What allwave do you have? Ltd or hrs? I would be more concerned with the deck than the lack of daggerboard. Your friend will be dumping the mast or rig forward during many falls, and it will come crashing down on deck. Need a boom bra pad thingy....and wahtever other measure to protect the deck or nose.
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d0uglass



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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my experience it's VERY difficult for beginners to stay upwind on a surf style windsup with no daggerboard. A bigger fin in the back doesn't help much. However, if you're serious about using the board as a beginner windsurf, you can add another finbox in the center of the board as a small daggerboard. I did that with my 10'4 Angulo sup and it made a huge difference.
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