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grantmac017
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| isobars wrote: | | More than a few sailors enjoy the hell out of onshore conditions around here (the Gorge), 'cause it's all we get. Of course, we don't have the problem of water piling up at the beach and making it hard to get out, but once out it's all wind-and-"waves"-in-the-same-direction so the SAILING is like onshore ocean sailing. It's all about getting used to it. |
You've also got massive current pushing you upwind. It's a unique environment. |
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isobars
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As I've mentioned countless times, there is no perceivable current where I sail. You're referring to the Corridor and Near East in the springtime.
Then there are the east wind days. |
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jingebritsen
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coachg
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| Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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| isobars wrote: | | but once out it's all wind-and-"waves"-in-the-same-direction so the SAILING is like onshore ocean sailing. |
Please, please, please don't tell me you are actually comparing sailing in the Gorge to onshore ocean sailing.
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swchandler
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| Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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"Of course, we don't have the problem of water piling up at the beach and making it hard to get out..."
That's because the wind is virtually perfect sideshore conditions at the launch sites. Nothing at all like launching in direct onshore wind conditions anywhere. |
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isobars
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| Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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| jingebritsen wrote: | | Maryhill, rufus, celilo, roosevelt all have ceurrent |
I've sailed Roosevelt WAY over 1,000 days, John. The current there is not perceptible either under sail or lying in the water, with very few exceptions confined to the 2 or 3 heaviest spring runoff days in the worst years. It is a different world, by a factor of at least 5 times the current and 30 times the frequency, from the other sites you mention. |
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isobars
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| Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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| coachg wrote: | | isobars wrote: | | but once out it's all wind-and-"waves"-in-the-same-direction so the SAILING is like onshore ocean sailing. |
Please, please, please don't tell me you are actually comparing sailing in the Gorge to onshore ocean sailing.
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AGAIN? God DAMMIT, people: "onshore wind" is DEFINED as wind and waves/swell generated BY that LOCAL wind moving in the same direction. How it is oriented to some nearby shoreline is IRRELEVANT once the sailor clears the shorebreak. I've quoted Josh Angulo's comment on it many times. It has to do with the relative direction of the wind vs the waves/swell, and does not address the obvious challenges of getting out through the resulting 90-degree shorebreak. |
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J64TWB
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| Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Shore break in a river? |
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swchandler
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| Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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Let's us just agree, isobars lives in a different world. West and east winds are onshore winds moving back and forth through the Gorge. That must mean that north and south winds are offshore winds, right?
Wait, where are the sideshore winds? |
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PeconicPuffin
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 9:28 am Post subject: |
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| isobars wrote: | | "onshore wind" is DEFINED as wind and waves/swell generated BY that LOCAL wind moving in the same direction. How it is oriented to some nearby shoreline is IRRELEVANT once the sailor clears the shorebreak. |
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Go to the ocean and sail an onshore wave session. Waist high waves...nothing major. You'll have a great time (if you bring your sense of humor), and then you can report back on what parts are the same as Gorge sailing and what parts aren't.
Your ignorance in this is howling.
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