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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/9/26/1425095/-Pope-Francis-Judges-Gays-to-be-Objectively-Disordered-Transgender-Rights-as-Dangerous
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/1/22/1623156/-How-Much-Does-Trump-Owe-Pope-Francis-Now
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"We all had heart attacks."


Bard, did you actually have a heart attack?
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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

swchandler wrote:
"We all had heart attacks."


Bard, did you actually have a heart attack?


No, but I'm working on it. .. Laughing But thanks for your concern. Just rhetoric
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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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YES, THE POPE TROLLED THE TRUMPS First, there was the photo. Then there was the question about Melania's cooking. And finally, he gave Trump his encyclical on climate change. [HuffPost

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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

real-human wrote:

I have no doubt to you that was something of an intellectual position...
after all, to you Neanderthals building the arks, the world is flat and only 3000 years old.


Would the Pope not represent a figurative leader of the "Neanderthals", as you put it? Yet, you quote him, of course, only when it is convenient. Are you in line with his views on same sex marriage, homosexuals, abortion, and his other "neanderthal" beliefs as I cited from your preferred source of mind pollution? I guess you must be, of course, only when it serves you and those of your ilks bigotry.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pope does it again...

I think this also answers NPs question.. nope he would not want the right wing neanderthals ... even suggesting the most extreme many to ex-communicate themselves with the church.

But again attacking the right wing hypocritical religious.

POPE SUGGESTS 'BETTER TO BE ATHEIST THAN A BAD CATHOLIC'

https://www.reuters.tv/v/0hG/2017/02/23/pope-suggests-better-to-be-atheist-than-a-bad-catholic?utm_source=taboola_int&utm_medium=referral&utm_term=aol-huffingtonpost

and again recent meeting with Trump he gives him a book on climate change....

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

for the religious in name only right wingers on this forum....

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/world/europe/vatican-us-catholic-conservatives.html?mwrsm=Facebook

A Vatican Shot Across the Bow for Hard-Line U.S. Catholics


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VATICAN CITY — Two close associates of Pope Francis have accused American Catholic ultraconservatives of making an alliance of “hate” with evangelical Christians to back President Trump, further alienating a group already out of the Vatican’s good graces.

The authors, writing in a Vatican-vetted journal, singled out Stephen K. Bannon, Mr. Trump’s chief strategist, as a “supporter of an apocalyptic geopolitics” that has stymied action against climate change and exploited fears of migrants and Muslims with calls for “walls and purifying deportations.”

The article warns that conservative American Catholics have strayed dangerously into the deepening political polarization in the United States. The writers even declare that the worldview of American evangelical and hard-line Catholics, which is based on a literal interpretation of the Bible, is “not too far apart’’ from jihadists.

It is not clear if the article, appearing in La Civiltà Cattolica, received the pope’s direct blessing, but it was extraordinary coming from a journal that carries the Holy See’s seal of approval. There has apparently been no reprimand from the pope, who is not shy about disciplining dissenters, and La Civiltà Cattolica’s editor has promoted the article nearly every day since it was published in July.

The article and the backlash to it — accusations of anti-Americanism have been rife, and one prominent American prelate likened the authors to “useful idiots” — have highlighted the widening distance between Francis and American Catholic conservatives.

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Since the 2013 election of Pope Francis, conservatives have worried that he has given short shrift to the social issues that have animated them, among them abortion and same-sex marriage. They have sat through his warnings to steer clear of politics. They have watched warily as Francis has installed pastors in his image while sidelining conservative leaders.

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St. Peter’s Square in Vatican City. Pope Francis has sidelined once-powerful conservative figures in the Vatican while elevating more inclusive voices like Cardinal Blase J. Cupich of Chicago. Credit Nadia Shira Cohen for The New York Times
It is no secret that Francis, the first Latin American pope, who has often criticized capitalism, has a complicated view of his old neighbors to the north.

Not long after Francis’ election, Vatican ambassadors briefed the pontiff about various situations around the world and suggested that he be especially careful when appointing bishops and cardinals in the United States.

“I know that already,” the pope interrupted, according to a high-ranking Vatican official familiar with the details of the conversation, who asked that his name not be used while discussing internal Vatican deliberations. “That’s where the opposition is coming from.”

The Vatican declined to comment about the conversation.

Fans of the article said it made clear that the conservatives who ran the American church for decades were out of step with the new Catholic mainstream under Francis.

Massimo Faggioli, a professor of historical theology at Villanova University and a contributor to liberal Catholic journals, said the Civiltà Cattolica article would “be remembered in church history as one of the most important to understand the Vatican of Francis and the United States and American Catholicism.”

American Catholicism, he argued, echoing the article’s thesis, “has become different than mainstream European Catholicism and mainstream Latin American Catholicism,” and has fallen “into the hands of the religious right.”

The authors of the article argue that American evangelical and ultraconservative Catholics risk corrupting the Roman Catholic faith with an ideology intended to inject “religious influence in the political sphere.” They suggest that so-called values voters are using the banners of religious liberty and opposition to abortion to try to supplant secularism with a “theocratic type of state.”

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Members of the clergy as Pope Francis celebrated Mass at Madison Square Garden in New York in 2015. Francis’ statements and appointments have enraged some church conservatives, while emboldening liberal American Catholics. Credit Michael Appleton for The New York Times
Even before the article was published, many Catholic supporters of Mr. Trump, who won the white Catholic vote, were already wary of Francis for suggesting during the campaign that Mr. Trump was “not Christian” because of his preference for building walls rather than bridges.

Francis’ apparent openness on key issues such as granting communion to Catholics remarried outside the church has galvanized the opposition, led by the American cardinal Raymond L. Burke, an outspoken critic whom Francis has repeatedly demoted.

The essay, which critics have dismissed as woefully ignorant of religion’s deep history in American politics, has energized camps on both sides of the divide. In a Breitbart article headlined “Papal Advisers Bash American Christians in Bigoted Screed,” Thomas Williams, the site’s Rome correspondent and an associate of Mr. Bannon’s, wrote that instead of attacking Mr. Trump and Mr. Bannon, “they have ended up attacking America itself.”

Benjamin Harnwell, a Catholic traditionalist in Rome, fan of Mr. Bannon and confidant of Cardinal Burke’s, said the article’s authors were doing little more than “trolling Steve Bannon.” Mr. Bannon, a former altar boy who once articulated his worldview to a Vatican conference, wrote in a brief email that the pope’s associates “lit me up.”

Archbishop Charles J. Chaput of Philadelphia, a standard-bearer for conservatism in America, likened the Civiltà Cattolica authors in his weekly newsletter to the “useful idiots” who supported the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia. He called the article “an exercise in dumbing down and inadequately presenting the nature of Catholic/evangelical cooperation on religious freedom and other key issues.”

If Archbishop Chaput’s own thwarted ambitions are any indication, Francis might not agree. The pope has vexed conservatives by repeatedly declining to elevate Archbishop Chaput to the rank of cardinal, a requirement for entrance into the conclave that will choose the pontiff’s successor.

“I was a little bit disappointed,” Cardinal Gerhard Müller, a German conservative appointed by Pope Benedict XVI as the church’s chief doctrinal watchdog, said in a recent interview. “The appointment of the cardinals should not be a personal relation with the pope’s to these bishops,” he said, adding that he was puzzled as to why Francis passed them over. “I don’t know,” he said. “Politics.”

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Stephen K. Bannon, right, the chief strategist to President Trump, left. A Vatican-vetted journal described Mr. Bannon as a “supporter of an apocalyptic geopolitics.” Credit Stephen Crowley/The New York Times
In July, Francis fired Cardinal Müller.

Personnel decisions in the Catholic hierarchy are crucial to Francis’ effort to make the church more inclusive, particularly in the United States.

American Catholic conservatives once unacquainted with being out of papal favor have stewed privately and expressed horror publicly on numerous right-wing Catholic blogs. They accuse Francis of wrecking the church and diluting its doctrine.

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Liberal American Catholics, bruised by crackdowns under John Paul II and Benedict XVI, are less than sympathetic to conservative complaints and have felt emboldened by Francis. They are delighted with the pope’s promotion of figures like Cardinal Blase J. Cupich of Chicago, who has started a program against gun violence and opposed Republican health care proposals on the ground that they would strip coverage for the weak and poor. Francis chose him to lead the Chicago diocese in 2014, after the retirement of Cardinal Francis George, a giant of American Catholic conservatism, and elevated him to cardinal last year.

“We should speak in a way that invites people and creates a sense of unity in society,” Cardinal Cupich said in an interview at the Vatican on the day of his elevation.

Some progressive Catholics have even begun expressing a previously tacit resentment of the hard-right zeal of evangelical, Calvinist and Protestant converts to Catholicism, among them Newt Gingrich, the husband of Callista Gingrich, the new American ambassador to the Holy See.

“I am so tired of converts telling us that the pope is not Catholic,” Michael Sean Winters wrote last week in the newspaper National Catholic Reporter.

That deep suspicion of evangelical fundamentalism and the fear of politicization corroding the conservative hierarchy of the American Catholic church was laid bare by the article in La Civiltà Cattolica. The authors were the Rev. Antonio Spadaro, the journal’s editor, who is a confidant of Francis’; and Marcelo Figueroa, an Argentine Presbyterian minister who is a friend and longtime collaborator of the pope’s.

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Cardinal Gerhard Ludwig Müller of Germany in 2015. Francis fired Cardinal Müller last month from his position as the church’s chief doctrinal watchdog. Credit Alessandro Bianchi/Reuters
In an interview, Father Spadaro — whose critics have called him “the pope’s mouthpiece” — said the reaction to the essay had been “incredible.” He said he had received kind words but also “plenty of hate.”

Some critics, he said, had tried to distort the argument into an attack on cooperation between Catholics and Protestants, something he said he himself had promoted. That criticism, he said, often came from opponents of Francis “who are trying to downplay the role of this pontificate.”

Father Spadaro would not say whether he had received Francis’ approval, or whether he had spoken with the pope since the essay’s publication.

The main point of the article, he said, was the pope’s argument that religion in the service of politics or power is ideology, and that the manipulation of anxiety for political ends risks rendering the church a “sect of the pure.”

Father Spadaro cited, by way of example, the fringe Catholic website Church Militant, which the essay described as openly in favor of political “ultraconservatism.” (A related site responded under the headline “Evil Editor of La Civiltà Cattolica Attacks Church Militant.”)

Father Spadaro also said it was important to explore the “apocalyptic narrative which inspires” Mr. Bannon, who has digested the works of often anti-Christian right-wing writers such as Julius Evola, who contend that people had drifted away from a primordial, heroic truth.

Father Spadaro said he was alarmed by the retrofitting of a mystical apocalyptical worldview into conservative Catholicism.

“We are warning against this kind of mixture, which is dangerous,” he said.

Correction: August 4, 2017
An earlier version of this article misidentified the Catholic website that published an article under the headline “Evil Editor of La Civiltà Cattolica Attacks Church Militant.” The article appeared on The Eponymous Flower, not on Church Militant. (Church Militant did publish its own article on the controversy.)

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

this Pope is amazing, what a spectacular human being he is.

Though I am for the death penalty for those that believe in state-sponsored death penalties for themselves and their party members, and I am also for it if an international tribunal (by a appx 90% margin) accepts a nations legitimate prosecution. I am against state-sponsored executions without the oversight of the unbiassed other parties in the world.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/pope-shifts-church-death-penalty-103647335.html

Pope seeks to abolish death penalty, changes church teaching





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VATICAN CITY (AP) — Pope Francis has decreed that the death penalty is "inadmissible" under all circumstances and that the Catholic Church must work to abolish it, changing official church teaching to reflect his view that all life is sacred and there is no justification for state-sponsored executions.

The Vatican said Francis had approved a change to the Catechism of the Catholic Church — the compilation of official Catholic teaching — to say that capital punishment constitutes an "attack" on the dignity of human beings.

Previously, the catechism said the church didn't exclude recourse to capital punishment "if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor." Previous popes have upheld that position, while urging an end to the practice.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many of the so-called Christians use their religion to justify their un-
Christian behavior. The ranting about helping the poor and disabled as socialism is exhibit one. Jesus took a vow of poverty. Just a few:

Truly, I say to you, only with difficulty will a rich person enter the kingdom of heaven. (Matt. 19:23)

Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth…but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven …for where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. (Matt 6:19-21)

No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money. (Matt 6:24)

And then there is the nastiness of those who rant about abortion, ignoring this advice from Luke:

“But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. 29 If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them. 30 Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. 31 Do to others as you would have them do to you.

And just to finish with a little dig at the evangelical preachers who have urged their flock to support Trump, here is there commitment to money instead of god.

These are the pastors worth millions. http://www.etinside.com/?p=539
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